Recce #3 this morning leaving Guisley approx 0830 if anyones intrested...full route, hopefully around 3:15 pace...Airborough Leisure centre car park.
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Recce #3 this morning leaving Guisley approx 0830 if anyones intrested...full route, hopefully around 3:15 pace...Airborough Leisure centre car park.
Crikey, that's quick. I reccied about 20 miles of it last Wednesday in 4 hours. I missed off about 2 miles on the Rombalds Moor section and came down at Whetstone Gate as I was didn't want to end up coming up the Chevin in the dark.Quote:
Originally Posted by craig7
Here is the full route for anybody who hasn't done it before:
http://www.mapmyrun.com/run/united-k...29361830188750
Reccied from Esholt (driving range) to Menston this morning. We didn't quite replicate this route - slightly different off Baildon Moor (although I am not sure we took the right route here) and took the first path down the west side of Ilkley Moor - don't think you need to go quite this far over and you can come down the path that takes you in between the two walled fields at the bottom. This is where I think Piper's Crag is.Quote:
Originally Posted by Muddy Retriever
Run done...but not in 3:15 :-(
3:25....lost time mainly on the route across from Whetstone gate to the drop down to Pipers as hadnt done that bit before and ran around a bit just looking at options. That last section up the Chevin i still havnt gotten quite right i dont think, maybe next time im gonna try some other route, seems to take an age from Menston cross roads at the Church and shops...hmmmm !
And how that route was done in 2:38.i just cant imagine !
Rioght, entry posted, so I hope I stil get a place.
Are you sure about that route? My first checkpoint is at Tong Park - according to this years entry form. :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by Muddy Retriever
Yep, that route looks right to me. Bucket drop is at 170 398 which is where path along side of driving range comes out onto road, although my clubmate who was guiding me round my recce on sunday, said that it's normally at the end of the path on Esholt Lane (171 397)Quote:
Originally Posted by Flopsy
From Whetstone Gate, it's often easier depending on the conditions underfoot to track along the path immediately to the south of the wall, hop over the stiley/fence thing at the end by the plantation (felling that bit, just now) and stick close to the wall until it goes around the angle, then take the clearly visible path which leads straight down to Piper's Crag (heading north).
I'm fine with the moor bit, really should recce the Chevin end...
Well worth recceing Ilkley onwards p b if you don't know it ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by plodding bear
The self clip at 195 443...is that before you climb the steps or after...I couldnt see it on Sunday !
Not sure I'm gonna get chance to recce it a I'm going away. Does anyone have a memory map of the route they could share?
I have a Garmin trace from last year if that's any help. Will pm you the link.Quote:
Originally Posted by Flopsy
Hi DT, think I may have a plod along from the Burley woodhead or so on sunday morning, at least round to Weecher reservoir, then cut back to B-in-W...
Don't think I'll be running all of it come the big day, but it's all good preparation for the Fellsman, eh?
I have received my entry :thumbup:
After studying the route description I have found a couple of places where I think I could make time/distance savings. Does anyone know if the described route MUST be followed or if it is for guidance only and the only 'rule' is to visit the checkpoints in order? (I can't find any contact details for the Event Organiser)
seeing as it's not echnically a race I don't suppose it really matters, but I would n't want to get disqualified or accused of sneaking about!
'As it's not technically a race' why would you want to save time by not following the described route? :confused:
Rombalds will be great prep for Fellsman. Looks like majority of snow has gone nowQuote:
Originally Posted by plodding bear
Because DT, there's a worrying trend of fellrunners effectively turning LDWA events into races. Unfortunately, with the delicate balance between old and new in the LDWA, I can forsee a situation where certain events no longer welcome runners in the not too distant future. I can still recall, with acute embarrassment, watching a runner pestering people at the finish of one event last year to know what position he'd finished in!Quote:
Originally Posted by Derby Tup
Anyway,why on earth would you recce an LDWA event? Part of the fun is turning up, getting your instructions and working it all out on the day.
Happy New Year Mr 1470. Agreed
Happy New Year to you too DT!!! Hopefully see you soon.
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Originally Posted by Derby Tup
In reply to both points:Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr1470
because, as with any event I enter I like to find the most efficient route that stays within the rules for that event. if I can find a 'better' route that means i would be out for 6hours instead of 6.5 hours why wouldn't I want to do so? I am parentally programmed to do things to the best of my ability.
If recceing includes looking at a map of the area and tracing the supplied route description then guilty as charged. however I haven't set foot on the course. As to 'working it all out on the day' the level of detail supplied for this event almost negates the need to even take a map!
oh dear, looks like I may have touched a nerve with regard to runners attending LDWA events. Runner (and walker) I may be, disrespectful to the ethos of the LDWA i am not. I can see why some may not like the influx of runners, but how do you even define running? I am sure I could walk some events quicker than others could run and didn't Billy Bland walk the BG in sub 20hrs?
ho-hum. i guess that is one for another thread on another forum!
see you there (i'll be the one elbowing you out of the way at the start, eating all the best cakes at the end and demanding to know my finish position and CP splits :w00t:)
Both me and Mr1470 regularly run LDWA challenge events. Having a note of the time you've taken is an interesting marker to your fitness levels but imho little more
Challenge event organisers and walkers don't have a problem with runners although there are a few events that exclude runners
If you want to race then enter a race. If you want a well organised challenge event where you often team up with other runners / walkers then do one of the LDWA events. Personally, I don't think 'racing' fits into the ethos of these events (well not until there's someone overtaking you who finished later than you last time out)
Interesting this. I did The Trollers Trot last year & there was a thread on it. People were complaining that runners had been "cheating" at the TT by not taking the designated route ! Like you say DT, it's not a race but people have started treating the LDWA events as such. Personally, I think these are great events both for walkers, who they are aimed at, & runners to gauge fitness.
As often happens in the wonderful online world of forums, I think my point has been missed.
What i really wanted to know, and I think it's relevant regardless of what speed you travel, is can you visit the CPs in order but following your own route rather than the advised route on the entry sheet?
I only mentioned racing to attempt to illustrate a potential difference where sometimes a prescribed /marked route must be taken.
I don't think your point has been missed
If there's a described route, you take it :)
I agree. The whole point of an LDWA Challenge event is to complete the designated course. They are not fell races. So to my mind if you've taken a short cut you've failed the challenge.Quote:
Originally Posted by Derby Tup
I can't remeber where but I'm sure I read on some LDWA literature that fell runners were to be reminded that LDWA event were NOT fell races and therefore the designated route should be followed.Quote:
Originally Posted by superflyguy
Writing as a member of both FRA AND LDWA, I think the purist old guard view of LDWA events is that they are NOT races, and indeed for some events there is no list of finishers or their times. However, there are certainly those who take part (including me) who are fiercely competitive. Do not imagine that just because people are walkers they don't care passionately to walk faster than their peers. And many LDWA "walkers" will in fact run as much of the route as they are able.
In my view, if there is a route description, the challenge is to follow it. Those who take short cuts have not risen to that particular challenge, and they should ask for their names to be removed from the list of finishers. Anything else is cheating. Runners who see themselves as "slumming" on LDWA events, just doing a bit of training and therefore free to follow whatever route they choose, might like to reflect that for walkers giving their all to do the authorised route in the best possible time it is very discouraging and even corrupting to see runners taking short cuts. It is a poor return for the famed hospitality of LDWA groups to treat their challenges with contempt and it makes it more likely that walkers too will be tempted to cheat.
Brilliantly put Alexandra.
That's certainly the case.Quote:
Originally Posted by Derby Tup
Took the train to Guiseley Saturday morning and a group went round the course to where it crosses the Keighley Gate Road for the second time.
Pretty hard underfoot for much of the Ilkley Moor section, but plenty of soft ground too to ensure that wet, muddy and cold feet are still on the menu.
Not doing this myself, but the wife is, so I'm sure I'll be available to provide some of my usual and helpful verbal encouragement.
I agree with these sentiments; a challenge is a challenge.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alexandra
thank you for, very eloquently, clearing up my question. I will follow the described route on all LDWA events.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alexandra
I hope my previous comments haven't given the impression that I view LDWA events as in some way lesser to others, that is not my view at all. I was mearly seeking a liitle clarification. thanks all for your input.
lets hope we all have a good day - together
Do you still want to do a recce of the moor to the finish?. Let me know when is good for you as not caught you for a while
Sorry, I didn't mean to stomp all over you. Your post gave me the opportunity to express some passionately held views. Btw, it is also the case that some events in the LDWA calendar do just give a list of check points and leave it up to participants which way they go; and also some events with route descriptions have been going for years without updating them, so that path changes etc have made it impossible in places to do the route as described. Obviously in that case one is free to make one's own arrangements.Quote:
Originally Posted by superflyguy
Did'nt realise until I checked my previous times the other day, this will be my 9th Rombalds. You would think I'd know the way by now !
Got well lost on Ilkley Moor in the fog last year !
Went for a plod around Ilkley Moor today - nice and wet at the moment! Very windy up on top, too. I was getting a bit nervous about this run, but since people on here started pointing out that it isn't actually a fell race but a 'long walk' event which very kindly lets runners join in, I feel much better about it now!
the only reason I'm getting nervous is because I haven't had a chance to recce the bits I don't know yet and I've not got hold of the correct map yet either (got one but not t'other). This mainly due to being ill the past week and missing a planned recce of 16 miles with some clubmates that would've easily covered all the bits I'm not sure of. Oh well, not a big deal. I'm treating it as a long run anyway rather than a race so it doesn't matter too much.
I've no idea whether I'll be able to wing it on the day or whether I'll need proper nav skills either (having not done it before).
Sounds like we're in pretty much the same boat, Rob. I know the moor bits, I'll wing the rest and navigate on the day. I'm ok with navigation (famous last words!) until I hit built-up areas - like Menston, and Guiseley...
Yeh not far off. I know the Ilkley and Burley moor bits well, and the Chevin I know like the back of my hand. I'm not sure about the bit leading from Guiseley through Esholt woods to Baildon moor, and I've not been on Baildon moor in a while either but as these are near the start I don't see any huge problems. Last bit between the moor and the chevin I've not got to yet either. I'm sure it'll be ok though. My nav skills are very much instinctive, and I'm usually spot on about where I am on a map and where I'm going, I always have a clear instinct about the direction I should be heading and where things are (which is usually correct) but I often think I've overshot and have to check to see if this is the case (usually isn't) which is a bit time consuming but no biggie.
Famous last words again but you'll be fine. I don't think Rombalds is an event to worry about navigating too much. The ground's very soft atm so there'll be plenty of tracks to follow. It's a big field too ;)
Don't worry at all about the early sections. It's like a pack run.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yorkshire Rob
If you're going to check anywhere, have a quick look at the urban footpath in Menston, which is easy to miss, and then the cut through the new housing estate between the A65 and the Otley road. If you know the Chevin, this is the only part worth a recce, and you could do it in about 10 minutes!
BTW, I normally stash a bottle of sport drink on the way into Menston, and find it helps over the last few miles. But of course, the event is pretty well supplied with food and drink as it's LDWA.
Yes, I agree with that. The first time I did Rombalds I was able to follow people all the way until Menston and then it got tricky.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tussockface
So for those who have never done it before, if you've not got enough time to do a full recce before the event I'd only go from Ilkley to the end and not bother with the first half at all.