Was going to make some jam tomorrow but I think I'll set up a Cornflake Cake Company instead and apply for a Bounce Back loan!
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Was going to make some jam tomorrow but I think I'll set up a Cornflake Cake Company instead and apply for a Bounce Back loan!
Still sounds like money for jam.Quote:
Originally Posted by Llani Boy
Choice. My neighbour's 100 year old Mum is her only relative bar a couple of elderly cousins in Devon as she lost her husband last year to cancer. Mum is in a home. She's seen her twice in the last 6 months, once through the window from outside on her 100th birthday and a second time through a glass screen in the home.Quote:
Originally Posted by Flem
The current situation is inhumane.
It is feasible to arrange a covid secure hug.
Quite an interesting programme (Long Covid) on Radio 4 this morning about long-term symptoms of Covid-19, presented by Adam Rutherford. The programme starts with Rutherford being interviewed on the Today programme in mid-March, at the time he contracted Covid-19, and his saying that he expected to recover from it relatively quickly. Six months on he still hasn't fully recovered. The programme points out that the people suffering from these long-term symptoms include those who are young and fit with no underlying health conditions.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m000mzms
(There was an earlier programme on this subject, on File on 4, but I only caught the last 10 minutes or so of it when it was broadcast and haven't yet got around to listening to the download.)
Come the revolution when the BBC is abolished, and preening pompous Huw Edwards is sentenced to the permanent purgatory of peeling potatoes, I will lobby that Radio 4 and BBC 4 (and Radio 3, obviously) are given special dispensation.Quote:
Originally Posted by Flem
I hope you are successful. I love Radio 4 and it accompanies me all day (except if TMS is on) as I drystone wall. Radio 3 is also worth saving.Quote:
Originally Posted by Graham Breeze
Bloody elitist namby pambies! What's wrong with a bit of Middle Class Radio 1? By which I mean Radio 6.Quote:
Originally Posted by MattPo
Indeed. I would add R6 to the list with the exception of the yawning chasm of zero talent masquerading as keaveney.
Mike you seem to be portraying people as helpless souls who can't think for themselves so need protecting from the government. I like the instructions from boxing referees to fighters before they engage "protect yourselves at all times." That's what people have to do because continuous lockdown will just make things worse.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mike T
I'd be interested to know what position Mike T would take on lockdown when it starts to affect him. Say when he can't buy food or water. Would he be willing to see people starve to save people from the virus? Certain job losses are fine in his eyes because they're not essential or needed. But why stop there if you want to save people from a virus? Just curious how far he'd go before backing down on his principles?
I always like to see people thinking for themselves:Quote:
Originally Posted by CL
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-dorset-53176717
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cumbria-53804526
https://www.middevonadvertiser.co.uk...earchyear=2020
https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/w...virus-18855988
https://metro.co.uk/2020/08/15/anti-...week-13133397/
https://uk.gofundme.com/f/carol039s-story
Or perhaps sad stories like Carol's who is trying to raise £160k to save her life after her cancer trial treatment was suspended as a consequence of tthe virus.
With apologies to Dr Mike 2 - not me - on twitter:
People have had their lives disrupted to varying degrees for 6 months. There has been no visible gain from this, because we have no way of knowing which of us would be sick or dead if the disruption had not taken place. Most people have only seen the downsides, and suffered harm which may or may not have been worse than the alternative. The Government's actions have been erratic, poorly explained, and widely contested, undermining what little trust people had in them to make the right calls to begin with. Even those who are anxious /scared and are willing to do all they can are confused by conflicting advice. Misinformation is rife. People are arguing about things they know little about, and sometimes about things nobody knows the answers to. The risk of indirect harm from Covid restrictions is real. Is it better or worse than Covid harm? - only time will tell.
A really good piece about Michael Rosen here
He so nearly died. NHS 111 advised he stay at home; his wife was unhappy with this and asked a doctor friend to have a look at him - his oxygen saturation was 58% - this level of hypoxia is usually fatal if not rapidly corrected, and often fatal even if rapidly corrected. Normal is 98% or above. A very interesting read.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave_Mole
An interesting article:
https://www.theatlantic.com/health/a...ndemic/616548/
Thanks for that link. Very interesting indeed. (More so than anything on Radio 4 even!). And, it seems to me, cause for some optimisim.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mike T
Could we get back to a much more normal life by focusing on limiting the conditions for super-spreading events, aggressively engaging in cluster-busting, and deploying cheap, rapid mass tests — that is, once we get our case numbers down to low enough numbers to carry out such a strategy? (Many places with low community transmission could start immediately.) Once we look for and see the forest, it becomes easier to find our way out.
“[...] Countries that have ignored super-spreading have risked getting the worst of both worlds: burdensome restrictions that fail to achieve substantial mitigation. The U.K.’s recent decision to limit outdoor gatherings to six people while allowing pubs and bars to remain open is just one of many such examples.”
I particularly liked her analogy:
This will come as no surprise to anyone who has worked in the service sector, for example, where a small group of problem customers can create almost all the extra work.
So Trunp and his wife have Covid!
There may be a God?
Fake news surely?Quote:
Originally Posted by MattPo
I don't think even our friend Stagger would have made such a nasty and insensitive comment.Quote:
Originally Posted by MattPo
Moderation?
Probably not, but yet another example of one rule for one......
But then, Trump is the acknowledged master of nasty and insensitive comments. MattPo is an amateur by comparison.Quote:
Originally Posted by Llani Boy
Lots of sympathy for the 'poor' virus on Twitter, having to be cooped up with Trump in the same room for two weeks :)
Have to admit, that did make me laugh!Quote:
Originally Posted by Fellbeast
Surely they should be injected with disinfectant. That will clear it up no problem 👍Quote:
Originally Posted by MattPo
well, that's Trump, Johnson, Bolsonaro, Lukashenko.....
An interesting thought experiment - how "bad" does somebody with an illness have to be before you don't wish them a speedy recovery?
I think our expert on the hippocratic oath should be able to answer that for you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mike T
Having spent six of the last eight years looking after my mother as she slowly declined with alzheimer's I can answer that question.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mike T
Sadly I suspect that if my mother had survived until 2020 and if she had passed away during the last six months, her death would have been wrongly attributed to Covid-19.
Obviously we all hope he gets better; Better at so many things!Quote:
Originally Posted by MattPo
Don't recall episode one, Christopher!Quote:
Originally Posted by CL
There's a lot of falling on one's sword going on I noticed, people love a righteous quest and will set sail in a storm simply to go down with the ship.
Hope you're still running well.
My fault for being unclear - by bad I meant evil, rather than extremely unwell.Quote:
Originally Posted by XRunner
Sorry to hear about your mother's illness.
I blame it on paradigms. We're solving the crisis based on the fundamental guiding principle that life is more important than the economy. I disagree. The economy is far, far more fragile than human life and it's destabilisation under capitalism will result in a crash. People are ignorant of the fact that this virus is the direct result of our exploitation of the planet, I don't buy the blame China theory- due to us all buying their consumer goods; guilty by association I say. People need to face up to the fact that the predator is now the prey.Quote:
Originally Posted by CL
Oh no. Not her again.Quote:
Originally Posted by mr brightside
Well, things seem to be under control....
Good to see closing pubs at 10 is working.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.ind...160.html%3famp
And here’s a great chart showing ‘life’ cycle of a covid infection
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ejd8G6GX...pg&name=medium
So just to remind everyone, that’s a 1% mortality rate on average, which is roughly ten times more deadly than flu.
Well yes 1% doesn't sound so bad (as long as you are one of the 99) - and I had my flu "jab" yesterday so that's all right - but what really interests me is the % for a 70+ year old, fit, slim fellrunner or my 97 year old mother.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fellbeast
Intellectual curiousity is one thing :); and having "skin in the game" is another.:(
Yeah I follow this expert professor guy on Twitter, David Paton, who analyses all of the hospital and government COVID stats. He’s generally a positive type and is anti many of the localised lockdowns. Whenever there are slightly bad or bad figures coming out right now, he always says ‘but that’s mainly just in the north west’. Like that’s in anyway reassuring to anybody actually living (unlike him) in the north west....Quote:
Originally Posted by Graham Breeze
In my naivety I used to think Yorkshire was in the North East but with all the Covid cases being reported in the North East I am now happy to recognise that I really live in the deep South.:)Quote:
Originally Posted by Fellbeast