Should the Hurriers return the favour and have a mass outing to Holmfirth for one of their events too? It'd be rude not to :rolleyes:.
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Should the Hurriers return the favour and have a mass outing to Holmfirth for one of their events too? It'd be rude not to :rolleyes:.
Good point - any preferences?
Ian Roberts looks good and I promised Phil Hobbs and the gang that we would give it a go...
Sounds good (although I've got a sneaking feeling it's on the day after the Hobble). Holme Moss is a cracking (and really challenging!) race too. It sleeted last year - in July! Some pretty stiff ascents and descents and a scramble up Skiddaw (?) rocks as well. Still, a good long run. What do you think? Are the Hurriers up for it? ;)
Empty your mail box Trig :) so you can receive new PMs.
Cleared my PM Box (Mag7 filled it up)Quote:
Originally Posted by joeyd
Just googled Heptonstall Fell Race 2012
Think the following clubs have included HFR in their grand prix diaries/champs
Bingley
Holmfirth
Keighley and Craven
Darwin
Denby Dale
Airedale Atheletics
Saddleworth
Lostock
Lots of intra and inter club competition!! Must make sure we get the timing spot-on so everyone gets their well earnt points
Should be a great turn out then! I'll have to bust a gut or two to make top half this time!!
Would be good to hear from any forumites from the clubs below using HFR in their champs;
Bingley
Holmfirth
Keighley and Craven
Darwin
Denby Dale
Airedale Atheletics
Saddleworth
Lostock
We have a guided recce on 4th March - all welcome - see the recce thread - get an edge with a preview of the route........
I'm pretty sure Halifax have it on their champs too. The more (or should that be moor?) the merrier!
Wonder how many will come along each club? Its going to be really interesting to see if CVFR?? Pudesy & B?? Wharfedale??? can take home the (copper dragon) prizes with so many turning up as teams.Quote:
Originally Posted by joeyd
Lets hope those who are doing Lads Leap don't chicken out (short run on Saturday should nt be a problem:closed:)
Just did a few hill reps in case I get to run...what have you done this week?
I did a pretty hard gym session on Tuesday - lots of abs/core stuff. I've got two poorly sick children at the moment so haven't done a run since last week. (I'm making myself feel better by thinking of it as a lay off post-marathon or taper pre Sunday's recce!) Hopeful of getting out tonight or tomorrow for a blast up to Peel Tower and back. Nice little 5 1/2 miler - head torcher. Are you on good form? How's the marathon prep going? Not long til London now! Have you got a target time in mind?
Getting plenty of distance in (27 on Sunday) but not enough medium / tempo - so its a road 7 miler for me tomorrow. Heptonstall Recce 15 pacey miles this Sunday will be perfect; I need to do a fast loop as I'm needed for domestic duties soon after. Jedi wants me to do Dent half as a test on road the week after (tempted) that should give me some idea if I'm going to get a sub 3.15 marathon in April........or is there still chance of a place in the Hobble????Quote:
Originally Posted by joeyd
Trig, which marathon are you doing in April? If it Manchester I will be in Timperley cheering you on. If it is London no!Quote:
Originally Posted by Trig
London; dam! Would nt normally be myfirst choice as a marathon as its a bit too big, over-hyped, commercial, with reduced chance of good times. (I have done Florence for last 7 years). That said Jedi and Kate are in so we should have a great weekend. I was offered a rare "club entry" last month and jumped at it; I had an injury so my Florence time in November was 3.24 (about 10min below target) so its an opportunity to get back on track.Quote:
Originally Posted by nippersmith
Just got some good news for March 18th - drum role......COPPER DRAGON are supporting the race this year and will be donating 80 pints, and 40 bottles!!
The keg will be on sale (as fell race special) - all proceeds to Mountian Rescue/Scouts/Church. The bottles will be handed out as prizes to ???????? (will CVFR clean up again????)
Thats me as a definite entry! - may even make the recce on Sunday yet, but don't hold yer breath, got loads on at the minute! Can you hand a beer prize out for the first MV40 from Trawden AC called Chris, theres a good fellow :thumbup: . Mind you I'd probably still not win that either :angry:
I did London last year, it was a great experience, I would pick up a chance of a place at the drop of a hat! I knocked 23 minutes off my time in Palma 6 months later, but I think that was because I wasn't running much at the beginning of the year due to injury. I didn't feel the congestion got in my way. It sounds like you will have a good weekend.Quote:
Originally Posted by Trig
Like it! Would be good to see you at the recce on Sunday - might give you the edge to beat-off your rivals to take first Trawden MV40 - and the new first Trawden MV40 prize category.Quote:
Originally Posted by alfa_scud
Will the scud-mobile be turning up a day early in the camping/parking field???
I've put my expected time down as 3.10hrs (in 2001 it was 4hrs) so that should see me clear of the masses.Quote:
Originally Posted by nippersmith
I reckon this training plan of repeated Heptonstall 15 mile recces is going to pay-off; it might be a bit shorter, but London lacks a 500ft ascent to the finish line and there's far fewer tussocks. :wink:
What was your time BTW???
It may well do. To be honest, it depends how soft the ground is. If its firm enough it may be enough to tempt me out again, I'll try and stay off the booze this time....or maybe not!Quote:
Originally Posted by Trig
I've done London twice - the last time being in 2006 in 4.32 and a bit. I enjoyed the event but have found I favour the lower key events now. My best time stands at 3.18 from Windermere in 2011 now. I've got my sights set on the sub 3.15 (maybe even 3.10) for the autumn though. Have you done Chester or Liverpool?Quote:
Originally Posted by nippersmith
Is it just me, or does being fell runner give you a psychological advantage at road races?Quote:
Originally Posted by joeyd
Hi Trig, my London time last year was 4:17, and Palma was 3:54 6 months later. I am aiming for sub 3:45 for my next road marathon. I had a bit of a diary malfunction, I have entered Manchester which is the day after the Three Peaks so I don't think I will manage sub 3:45. 27 miles of tussocks followed by a 500 foot ascent will surely count towards your marathon training plan.Quote:
Originally Posted by Trig
Hi JD. Road marathons: I have only done London, Edinburgh and Palma - (only!) - I can't remember much about them really, it's all a bit of a blur. I didn't realise I had run past Buckingham Palace until I saw the pictures on the internet. I might do a different road marathon but can't really decide which one to do. The Wharfedale off road marathon, the Yorkshireman and the Lyke Wake race are treasured highlights from last year, for me. Which Autumn marathon do you think you might do?Quote:
Originally Posted by joeyd
Hi Nipper. I'm not sure which one to opt for in the Autumn roadwise. Chester and Liverpool are both allegedly pretty quick. I did the Yorkshireman last year too! (having done the Half the previous year) and really fancy another go at it. I went out a bit 'optimistically' last time and got some chronic thigh cramps around miles 19 and 20 which slowed me down quite a bit. (I also confidently ran down a nice valley and crossed a stream that I recognised from a family walk for about 1/4 mile until I realised it wasn't the right way and had to turn round!) I've not done Wharfedale or Lyke Wake yet - but fancy Borrowdale and Langdale again as repeat visits; both really enjoyable. From your earlier post do I take it you're doing the 3Ps one day and Manchester Marathon the next??? Hardcore!!! :D
Well, I am tempted as is it good training for the West Highland Way (on the reserve list) but... there are more civilized alternatives, aren't there, than a road marathon the day after the Three Peaks. Plus it is pushing it, I need to get fit for the Three Peaks, really.Quote:
Originally Posted by joeyd
Hi Nipper - sounds like injury territory - both races would be fast paced and on hard surface - 3 peaks feels like a road race in pace but much more demanding with the addition of 3 mountains (cut offs force you to put the hammer down) running a road marathon the next day could hurtQuote:
Originally Posted by nippersmith
Had a good meet today with a timber yard, and joiner, looks like we might be able to build large temporary stiles to avoid bottlenecks after the wooded valley (Colden Clough) 1 mile into race. Was nt a major problem last year but if the entry increased it would avoid potential stile-rage scenarios.
What do you reckon???
Two long runs back to back as you say, yes, it does sound like injury territory. That will teach me to enter races without checking my diary.Quote:
Originally Posted by Trig
That is a good idea about the temporary stiles, but please, how am I going to get my breath back if there isn't a queue?
I've heard orienteering events often make use of temporary stiles; not seen one on a fell race before.
With 200 runners last year we had a bit of a queue - you could argue that runners need to do their homework, being aware of wall crossings and pinch points, making sure they set off at an appropriate pace to reach the stile before the bottlenecks develop; if we get a big increase on last year then even the faster runners may end up in a frustrating snarl up, whilst the rest of the pack might be stood waiting for even longer.
Anyone got any useful tips??
Run like 'ell to get to the stile before the bottle neck starts to build - a technique I've seen you use once or twice in the past I seem to recall Trig :). My favoured method is to have a chat and catch my breath in the queue, then feel 'refreshed' and go off far to fast over the next section until it dawns on me that I feel like I'm going to have a nasty turn until I get to the next queue, catch my breath and repeat ad infinitum :o. All good fun though. If temporary stiles will protect fragile walls and keep landowners happy (happier?) then it might be worth while. Most runners are pretty careful and respectful though aren't they?
Had a walk up there today; looks like we will definitely use a new wider path to climb up through the woods to access fields around 1 mile in (many of those who have done our guided recces will have used this route). This new route variant still involves a narrow gate at the tree-line; farmer is OK with us building the temporary stile, so off with my tape measure, timber, and saw this weekend (plus someone who actually knows what they are doing:wink:)Quote:
Originally Posted by joeyd
That is so weird, that sums it up for me too the first part that is although I am careful and respectful also :)Quote:
Originally Posted by joeyd
Mmm - breathing??? I always end up in oxygen deficit trying beat Ian Holmes to the first bottleneck; I then crash and burn after 1 mile. Might try the nipper/JD strategy next time..
New pdf race map with Check Points due out this weekend.......
Oh, and HAPPY BIRTHDAY Jedi Master good luck at Dent tomorrow!
Had a weekend off running(unplanned) - nipped out on my bike and bumped into lots of people recce-ing the route - was really envious as the conditions were amazing - hoping we get to keep this early spring sunshine for Sunday
Hi Trig
I hear you made some route changes while I was sunning myself in Brazil. Got any details?
Hope my legs are recovered in time for Sunday's run. Well done to all the Hurriers (Pete B, Peter F, Charlie et al.) who left me in their wake at the Hobble. Hope I make a speedier showing at Heptonstall :D.
And you brought some sun back with you! Yes there are definitely a few minor route changes; Charlie B will pop up complete guide asapQuote:
Originally Posted by hurrier
Trig, having failed now for two years to take advantage of your organised reccys, and missed the soup, I've decided to turn up on Sunday and give the race a go. What could go wrong?! Really looking forward to it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Trig
I knew you would finally sucumb to the flyer and forum onslaught!Quote:
Originally Posted by Macali
Did I see you on Sunday in Haworth??? Sounds like the Hobble was a big success (great timing to get the race history in Fellrunner) - quite a few of the Heptonstall organisers were hobbling on Sunday just in case their race day roles stop them running on 18th.
I heard Heptonstall might be a featured K&C club race?????
map here; http://www.heptonstallfellrace.org.u...aceMap2012.pdf
Note the 2 slight route changes, one near start and other near end.
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Nice map Charlie - this is the one to print off on race day (to stuff in your bum bag with whistle compass hat gloves and full body cover)Quote:
Originally Posted by charlieB
Route changes are in Colden Woods different exit stile from woods to field, short cut to cattle grid in Walshaw Dean, and safer path down to the iron railings in Crimsworth Dean - no significnat change to overall distance
Like the unmanned clipper CPs