Not really. I suppose the next time a dog launches itself at me (and the owner leaps to the dog's defence) I can think "Phew! At least it's not a cow". But I'm not sure it will be much consolation...Quote:
Originally Posted by JohnK
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Not really. I suppose the next time a dog launches itself at me (and the owner leaps to the dog's defence) I can think "Phew! At least it's not a cow". But I'm not sure it will be much consolation...Quote:
Originally Posted by JohnK
John, buy a dog and learn to love them. Just not one of those horrible bull terrier things that are always in the news for attacking children.
I Have had dogs all my life and have in fact been bitten by a boxer when I was a kid (my fault not the dog`s).Quote:
Originally Posted by benshep
My dog of choice has always been Border collies and they have always been from rescue homes I have had my current collie now for 15 mths and he came to us as a physical and mental wreck thanks to the ill treatment he had received from the supposedly mentally superior human race, many of his issues we have managed to overcome but he is still work in progress, and his biggest problem now is people throwing stones and balls this stems from him having been chained up by a past owner and being used for target practice.
But one thing is for sure he is a lovely faithful and loyal pet.
I read these types of threads with interest as it is obvious that majority of the post`s made are put there both folk that have no understanding of the cannine mentality
Enjoy your running and be cautious around Cows, Dogs, Geese,Horses People, Cars, Buses, Cycles etc etc as they have all been known to attack runners.
Some of us have little opportunity or desire to understand cannine mentality. We experience dogs in the environment when we have no desire to. We just expect dogs to be kept under reasonable control in the environment? In the same vein dog owners seem to expect that its fine for their dog ro run around freely and any human they come into contact should have a good understanding of cannine mentality!
The other things are not comparable, We can often make a choice between running through a field of cows or not and I have often taken a detour to avoid them, much to the amusement of local farmers and my dad.
I certainly cant remember the last time I was attacked or threatened by a cyclist either!
in case of any confusion or offense, my tongue in cheek comment was directed at John aka "Ilkley Swimmer"
I too have grown up with dogs (not in a mowgli the wolf boy kind of way), mainly snappy cairn terriers and highly strung westies. they'd be no good to run with though. I'd love a dog that can run for miles and is obedient, like Stollie's (Harry?) or Chevinbytorchlight's (the legendary Ralph). I would like to have a dog now but I work full time so it would not be fair. and I can't sign off without giving in to the old bad joke: "I like dogs, but I couldn't eat a full one etc"
anyway, John "Ilkley Swimmer" it's about time you learned to love out of control dogs and their owners and understand their respective mentalities.
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Or to put it another way:Quote:
Originally Posted by JohnK
Dog owner: "It's OK, he won't bite!"
Runner: "Oh, I'm sorry. I have no understanding of the canine mentality".
Dog owner: "DOWN Tyson!!"
It's not really runners with no understanding of dogs that's the problem. It's the minority's of dog owners that either don't understand their dogs behaviour, or don't care.Quote:
Originally Posted by JohnK
Exactly. I've had or been around dogs nearly all my life. Doesn't stop me getting a nip from one every now and again, with all that their saliva can carry, or even tripping over an overly excited one that the owner doesn't seem to understand and thinks runners are just playing a game!
Dogs can be just as daft/friendly/funny/aggressive/indifferent as their owners. At the end of the day though it's the owners responsibility to make sure their dog doesn't cause any harm to itself or to others and not the responsibility of runners have some form of dog whispering skill!
Quite right Shaunaneto & Stumpy. PS I've just watched the video post by "sbrt" above entitled "people with a fear of dogs meet pit bull puppies". I was expecting it to be some kind of video nasty. So what a nice surprise it was to see the people transformed by having the puppies clamber and slather all over them. Unless - of course - the actors in the film are dog lovers in disguise. For people supposedly fearful of dogs their entirely natural dog-handling skills are remarkable!
"He's more scared of you than you are of him"
Had a couple of incidents in Fuerteventura.
After parking my bike in a pretty out-of-the-way village and climbing an extinct volcano, I came back down, and tried to make my way back to the main road, unfortunately a wrong turn led me up a path towards a farm of sorts, where a huge dog came bowling out after me. I had a good head start and was going downhill so I was ok, unfortunately I turned into a dead-end. This dog stopped about 20 yards from me, hackles up. growling like mad. I really didn't know what to do, luckily it had made it's point and I was very relieved when it turned round and walked off, leaving me to make a quick sharp exit...
A couple of days later I was out on a morning run, exploring out the back of the resort, where some new villas were being built, backing up against what looked like a derelict quarry or mine. Didn't even notice these two dogs as I ran past, but they soon spotted me. They were the local breed of guard dogs (Bardanos or something similar) and are apparently quite renowned for being ferocious guards. Unfortunately they weren't giving up and I had to kick one of them. Thankfully I only caught it on the leg, but it was enough to make them think twice, and I got out of there, it was certainly an incentive to pick my pace up...!
FFS grow up. They are dogs & you are human.
If you don't like wildlife then stay indoors.
You are in far more danger from "humans" than from any animal, apart from Highland Cattle with a calf at foot.
Yeah nice one mate, thanks cor the valuable advice...
I don't recall myself or anyone suggesting that I don't like wildlife. However next time a fair sized dog goes for me I'll remember to 'grow up' and just let it take a bite...
At least you weren't in the USA, accidentally end up on private property there and it could be a bullet rather than a dog :eek:
Ha ha - it's dead easy to get the dog lovers going. I've never being mugged, robbed or beaten up - but I have ended up in hospital after being dragged off by bike by some chav's mutt. Nowadays if a dog comes within twenty feet of me I'm looking around for the nearest heavy object or sharp instrument. And yeah, I do agree that the human is to blame more than the dog - it's juat the human's reward will be to have his dog's head smashed in or it's eyes gouged out if it so much as frowns at me.
Ha ha! its equally easy to wind up those, who are frightened of being frowned at by a dog :pQuote:
Originally Posted by MarkL
Travs. Can't blame you if you think you are going to get bitten, you have got to protect yourself. That sounds scarier, than being frowned at.
Two more (on a similar theme):-
Dog owner "He can sense your fear and then reacts to it"
And:-
"He's got fear aggression"
We had a rather strange encounter with a chap that owes a strip of land near us today. MrRTS was running along with our border collie Beau on a public footpath through a field that goes past his house as you exit the gate. He keeps horses but none of them were in the field. He also has a dog that is kept chained up in the yard. As we ran past he shouted "put that dog on a lead". MrRTS very politely said "he is under control". The chap then said "its the law. It has to be on a lead". Hubby replied "The law says dogs have to be under control". To this the chap said "If I see you and it again I will shoot it". We had no reply to this.
Now ... 1st of all there was no animals in that field. To shoot Beau he would of had to shoot MrRTS's legs from under him as Beau runs right next to his leg. There were no signs saying dogs must be on leads.
On this run and any others we do if we go into a field with livestock or land where signs say dogs must be on leads he goes on a lead even though he is no closer to hubby's leg.
Beau is a super dog. Very friendly to other dogs, people and animals ... except when he is running with us. He then ignores people, other dogs, all animals and any distractions. Just runs glued to MrRTS's leg.
Beau is a rescue dog that we are very lucky to have.
So discuss that one, it was a very unsettling experience that our dog and hubby's legs could be threatened with a gun! Any advice and actually "no, he does not bite". Here is a photo of Beau grinning - he doesn't even frown.
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Stay away - the only solution.Quote:
Originally Posted by RaceTheSweeper
But it is a route just 1ml from our home that leads to other routes. Surely the wrong is with the landowner. Maybe the solution is to take his gun away as he is obviously not of stable mind to own one.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mike T
This chap is clearly a worry - in an ideal world the police would take his gun away, in practice he would just turn into an unpredictable enemy - stay away or go past with your dog on a lead. Sometimes, despite being "right", we have to accept defeat.
Any threat of shooting for no reason must be reported to the police. you have a duty of care to other people. if he has threatened you with a gun report it now before he does lose it and ends up shooting someone.Quote:
Originally Posted by RaceTheSweeper
I heard at a race recently that a gun was dishcharged at/near a group of darkpeakers around Christmas. 1 had a dog with him. I think he was visited by some park official...!!
^^^This!Quote:
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We are going to see if we can speak to someone today.Quote:
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Good article from Farmers Weekly: http://www.fwi.co.uk/farm-life/your-...-your-land.htmQuote:
Originally Posted by RaceTheSweeper
There is a farmer near Moel y Parc in the Clwyds with the same attitude. Numerous signs up telling you he will shoot your dog and he has threatened to shoot mine. This was annoying as whilst mine were calm, obedient and under close control (infact I was just putting them on the lead to enter a field with loose livestock) his dogs were going crackers. I have been told by others that he is known for shooting dogs and to give him a wide berth.
I actually believe that farmers should be able to shoot dogs that are genuinely causing distress to their livestock. Unfortunately peoples interpretation of where the line is differs.
Most interesting but I wonder how many would think of the possible consequences before shooting a dog.Quote:
Originally Posted by brummievet
I would also have thought reporting this type of threat to the appropriate authorities would do no harm and could only be for the wider good.
I agree in general and I have seen at first hand the results of loose, out of control dog on a flock of sheep. Not pretty. However, where that line falls is always going to be a matter of interpretation.Quote:
Originally Posted by helix
I know of farmers who have erected signs stating all dogs to be kept on a lead. I'm not sure how enforcible this is as the law states the animal has to be under close control which does not always necessitate a lead. Physical injury does not have to be caused to livestock - the farmer only needs to have reasonable grounds to think that the risk is imminent and unpreventable by other means. At this time of year, just chasing a pregnant ewe could lead to abortion so its easy to see how this could easily escalate. Also, because of the rural nature of these incidents you could end up in a situation where it is just the farmer's word against your own and at the end of the day its your dog that's at risk. Personally if it came to it I would put a lead on first and argue the toss later.
Exactly, we have an argumentative legal system in the UK. Which does not console you if you have had your dog shot or your livestock mauled. I'm always happy to put mine on the lead around livestock and to heel or sit around runners and cyclists. It's common courtesy and common sense really. I don't take them running anymore as they sulk during the run and for hours afterwards.Quote:
Originally Posted by PeteS
When I lived in West Cumbria a friend of mine who grew up a farmer told me of a farmer in the Cockermouth, Brigham, Tallentire area who had a love of wildlife. He would happily dispatch of any dog he found working on his land as he never gave anyone permission to hunt (when it was legal). On one occasion he challenged 2 men who he had seen coursing; they had placed the dog one the lead and stated that he couldn't do anything as it was on the lead. The farmer then promptly shot it at point blank range. The farmer was lucky that these men had no love of the police and didn't make a crime complaint as aside from the criminal damage issues it was a reckless use of a firearm which may have led to prosecution or the loss of his firearms licence.
I have more trouble with people letting their dogs urinate on my kids toys or sand castles when we're on a beach.
I agree too and as we stated in a field with livestock he is always on the lead. Not because he needs it but because it gives assurance to farmers. There were no animals in the fields where our dog was threatened while running next to my hubby's leg. We have ran through here several times and have only once seen the horses in the field, never sheep or other animals. Any time we see animals in a field we automatically put Beau on a lead.Quote:
Originally Posted by PeteS
We have reported it and I have spoken to our Community PO today. We have not reported it as an official complaint but as a concern.
I think that was the correct thing to do. It does no harm but at least the concern has been raised should anything further come of it either with yourself or other parties.Quote:
Originally Posted by RaceTheSweeper
I take a similar stance with Mungo and usually put him on a lead around sheep or any other livestock in fields or farmland. On the fells its often a different matter though as he will not chase sheep anyway and, as he is generally stuck to my legs, he is in more danger from a misplaced size 8 mudclaw than a shotgun. I also share your concerns that anyone trying to take out the dog would be most likely to take me out at the same time!
Absolutely. Likewise I stop and make the dog stay around horses, bikes etc. if I can't avoid themQuote:
Originally Posted by helix
'Tis a good article. Also interesting as RTS doesn't say that this gent / lady was a farmer - a different ball game completely. What constitutes a farm??Quote:
Originally Posted by brummievet
Slightly off-topic but related in some part to recent posts:
A landowner erects a sign on a footpath through a field which states "Sheep - Keep dogs on a lead."
Can a landowner stipulate such an action on a public footpath and is this legally binding?
To my knowledge (and I traverse said footpath at least once a week) there have never been any sheep in the field. Occasionally, a couple of horses and a few wild bunnies. I'm not sure of the real reason for wanting to keep dogs on a lead but the signs are renewed on a regular basis and have been there for years now. Needless to say very few people take much notice of them but I have often wondered on the legalities of such a sign.
Interesting question PeteS and I don't know the answer but I would assume it would not be legally binding.
According to below a footpath is 1 metre wide, so how likely is a loose dog to stay within that metre?
https://www.gov.uk/guidance/public-r...sponsibilities
It is discussed here.
http://www.horseandhound.co.uk/forum...egarding-leads
that sign is a grammatical mess so probably wouldn't stand up to much scrutiny!Quote:
Originally Posted by PeteS
Do the sheep hold the dogs' leads in their mouths then?Quote:
Originally Posted by barnyc