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Originally Posted by Deadlegs
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Did they even beat Yorkshire...:)Quote:
Originally Posted by Deadlegs
There's something on the box tonight at 8 about doping, presented by that doctor with (perhaps evil) twin.
I want some of that anti muscle ageing gene therapy!!
Steroid use in gyms- the problem is worse than i'd feared. There's a gym near me, some of them some down round the corner opposite my drive and shoot up with roids, why they don't do it at home i don't know. We've had used needles wanged in our bins recently too. I had thought the production of synthetic growth hormones was all licensed and clean, i was amazed to learn most of the shit they jab is untested and manufactured on a similar scale and basis as crystal meth in the states.
Hard work is going out of fashion.
Because if it's at home the missus/children/parents will find out... Just because its acceptable gym culture doesnt make it good societal culture. Who wants the family knowing that you cheat and lie? It's a mix of pathetic and tragic.
Not sure if this is same story as Matthews, but an interesting read if not.
https://www.theguardian.com/football...athletes-pills
I see Wiggins and Froome are the latest ones to have their doctors notes hacked. It makes a bit of a mockery of Wiggins' claim in his book that he's never had injections other than for vaccinations.
Just think how fast road cycling would be if teams selected fit healthy people, rather than the current bunch of asthmatics. ;)
Remember Lance was dead against doping too, and many people on this here forum seemed to think the sun shone out of him.
I say well done to those state-sponsored Russian techno-spies. You can always rely on the Russians to champion freedom of information.
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I say well done to those state-sponsored Russian techno-spies. You can always rely on the Russians to champion freedom of information.
In all honesty I'm ******* livid.
Not because some pro cyclists have had some dopey mud chucked at them, it's been a while since I've believed elite sport was genuinely clean.
What I'm angry about is that Noel's overtaken my post count, the complete gobshite.
I hope this isn't going to degenerate into...
...any sort of puerile activities to up our post count.
wiggins and froome two more registered asthmatics
I would expect triamcinolone - or any other strong steroid - to cut down muscle and tendon inflammation, and therefore reduce or eliminate any aches and pains from recent hard training sessions - would this improve performance? I don't know, but I have no doubt some people out there do. It is supposedly a catabolic anti inflammatory steroid, rather than an anabolic steroid, so, unlike testosterone, one would not expect muscle building effects - but why are they using it rather than for example prednisolone, the traditional steroid used when asthma symptoms are not responding to the usual mix of inhalers? Does triamcinolone in fact have an anabolic effect, in addition to its anti inflammatory effect. Any clinical pharmacologists or sports scientists out there?
Amazing (well it would be if it was). I always struggled with Wiggins
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Originally Posted by Mike T
David Millar wrote that it was the most potent drug he took. He lost one to two kilos in a week and felt extremely strong. It seems that Rasmussen agrees with Millar: http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode...night-23092016
As a somewhat "rotund" asthmatic, it sounds just the ticket for me!:mad:Quote:
Originally Posted by CL
Enter the tour next year WD
I will nip to the bookies in the morning and have 10 bob e/w
After today's Andrew Marr Show I doubt if Millar and Wiggins will exchange Xmas cards...but I'm sure Wiggins will be sending one to Mr Marr forever.Quote:
Originally Posted by CL
On a historical note, in 1988 Pedro Delgado was a shoe-in for Le Tour when in late July a few days before Paris he was found to have taken Probenecid (which is a masking agent). Probenecid had been an illegal drug according to the IOC (Olympics) for a year but the UCI (Cycling) was a bit slow and were due to ban it a few weeks later in August, which they duly did.
Delgado was pretty cool about it all: "it's use is not illegal" and indeed that week, as distinct from a couple of weeks later, it wasn't (outside the Olympics).
Delgado won his Tour. His only win; but as Wiggins knows, one Tour win means never having to work again.
In cycling "it's use is not illegal" actually translates as something else.
As an asthmatic seemingly I get the edge over the field but it always amazes me how senior vets generate speed and tenacity from the off especially when there is a hill at the line.A club mate seems to think there is a catapult secreted away for the vey purpose.So we know that these mountain goats are clean(from a drug viewpoint)what about a doping tent at the trig point:cool:
Triamcinolone is a pretty heavy duty hammer to hit allergic rhinitis with. It is licensed for use in this condition and asthma but in normal life, its not something I would expect to see used except in extremis. Perhaps being just about to compete in TdF counts as extremis!
I had a jab of the stuff once to treat acute tendinitis in a back muscle. It worked a treat. Cured the pain and made me feel like Rambo for 48 hours!
Whether that was relief from pain or a side effect, who knows???
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Originally Posted by Graham Breeze
Whether it is performance enhancing or not there is no getting away from the fact that Wiggins win of the tour was the dullest in history.
Give me some proper performance enhancing battles such as ulrich against Armstrong any day!!!
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Originally Posted by luxinterior
Mmmh. I don't recall being totally gripped during all of the Indurain years but you have a point.
Chemically enhanced or not (ha!) I viewed the difference between Armstrong and Ulrich as mental (although Ulrich should have learnt to ride with a rapid cadence and not persist in trying to push a big gear on climbs): once Ulrich had become the first German to win the Tour his place in history and in Germany was secure and he didn't need to try so hard again. (Just as I posted on here at the time that Wiggins would never win another Grand Tour because he was neither good enough nor mentally hungry enough). Armstrong wasn't the first American winner but more importantly he was clearly pathological with a chip on his shoulder against most of the world and that is what drove him to obsessively need victory at all costs.
Armstrong might have been a nasty piece of work but waiting for him to eventually get his comeuppance did make the Tour interesting.
A new young cyclist is introduced to a team manager.
"Do you have asthma?"
"I am afraid so"
- pumps fist: "YES!"
High dose steroids are powerful drugs. 40 mg of triamcinolone is enough to make some people go mad - I saw this many times with hospital inpatients - some required sedation; most were just weird - agitated, aggressive, a touch paranoid - for a few days. I can see that some people might feel temporarily invincible. To need this 3 years in a row for "asthma/allergic rhinitis"? You might think this is a bit of a coincidence - or, if high dose steroids were really needed, that it reflects poor management of the underlying conditions - I could not possibly comment.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wheeze
Well that made me laugh!.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mike T
I'm asthmatic and the stuff proscribed for me must be baby strength - pah! I'm straight back to see my Doctor (Dr Ferrari) to get this sorted!!
I must perform about 10 triamcinolone injections per week but have not had anyone turn green and rampage around the room yet!
never given it for asthma....but then thats not my field.
I was usually treating those over 65 - more likely to get side effects than younger patients; even 15 mg of prednisolone was enough to make some go mad - equivalent to 10 to 20 mg of triamcinolone, depending on which conversion chart you believe. What conditions are you treating with it?Quote:
Originally Posted by Wheeze
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Originally Posted by brett
Wiggins alleges he took his medicine just "to put me on a level playing field", aka the Lance Armstrong defence for using EPO.
My haematocrit (X76tb) level a couple of years ago was 0.41. The normal natural range is 0.37 to 0.52 (although the UCI arbitrarily ban anyone whose level is over 0.50 "for health reasons").
So, given that 0.41 is low and I am disadvantaged when fell running why can't I take EPO to "put me on a level playing field" in line with the Wiggins justification?http://forum.fellrunner.org.uk/images/smilies/wink.png
Yes I wonder if Wiggins has convinced himself he was not actually cheating. I notice Brailsford was very specific to say "we never pressure team members to cheat" rather than "we don't let team members cheat". It's a much more defensible position and implies he knows more than he's letting on.
Froome has tweeted an interesting response. See BBC sport webpage.
Fluimucil - acetyl cysteine - is such an ineffective decongestant that we never used it in hospital, even in those who were very ill. It does however have a bit of a reputation in some muscle building circles as a muscle conditioner and a post exercise pain reliever - whether these claims are true or not I have no idea. As to why a cyclist might take it ....
Gosh - British Cycling/Sky look like they are in real trouble ....
Yep, heads will roll and sir's should be back to Mr.
Hey Mike T there goes that 'marginal gains' idea you pushed from Team Sky.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mike T
We have democracies and chumocracies now in cycling we also have dopeocracies. Bring in a doctor or doctors who have no qualms in issuing healthy athletes with inhalers, corticosteroids and various other pharmaceuticals. Then hire coaches who know how to train on such stuff and what you finish with is a new world order, Team Sky and British Cycling. Cheating under the guise of the TUEs and it seems much of the establishment is in on it.
No wonder other cycling teams were complaining about the British domination at the past two or three Olympic games. They were right, something was amiss and the nonsense spouted by educated people in regard to the 'package' and what was in there proves it so.
And what about Seb Coe and athletics. That's one big Dope-ocracy. Coe, a great athlete has poor judgement for such a powerful position. And the bizarre thing is he doesn't try to hide it. There seems to be no sense of self-evaluation, as in "erm is this the right thing to do."
Take the recent documentary on the BBC about EPO MO (Mo Farah). Farah is in the mire because of his missed drugs tests and association with Alberto Salazar who USADA says fine tunes his athletes performances with various concoctions. If I was Coe knowing all that I certainly wouldn't have participated in a program sucking up to Mo Farah. Not when I've just taken over a sport being decimated by doping. But there he is telling us how great Farah is without any sense of the future S..t hitting the fan.
It's not just Coe its other members of the Dope-ocracy. Take Brendan Foster and Steve Cram. Still making money from sucking up to the druggies. Women running 29 minutes in the 10km "erm no problem Stevie just think of the money." Farah a 10000m runner breaks Crams 30 year old 1500m record and all Cram can say is Farah's the greatest British runner ever. How do they sit there as experts and present such a farce to a public who trusts their expertise? shocking.
And as the years go by the old lows are surpassed by new lows that normal rational people simply cannot comprehend.
I still believe in the philosophy behind so called marginal gains, but that does not mean they were not breaking the rules, or at least the spirit of the rules, as well - these things are not mutually exclusive.Quote:
Originally Posted by CL
What's interesting to me about this is not that once again doping is associated with success. The interesting bit is that a culture of bullying seems to work.
Management consultants take note.