Fellsman

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Originally Posted by Stef F

Hi

I'd like to join the reccee on 4th please, if girls are permitted?

I'd be travelling up for the weekend so if anyone is up for a reccee of an extra section on the Sunday that would be good.:eek:

I'm also planning a trip up on 14th March - I don't really want to do the same bit twice - have you decided which section you're doing?

Finally, I have the Harvey Yorkshire Dales map but it looks like the south west section goes off the edge before Dent. I don't have any coordinates - can anyone help me sort out where the route goes please? Hard to reccee without this.:o

Stef

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Is your map the BMC Harvey map? (Shows checkpoint 6 (top of Gt. Coum).)
Check with the organisers but possibly just a photocopy of the next section would be sufficient (eg. from OL2).

From CP6 (701835) head ~330 to 691851 and follow track to Dent.

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Originally Posted by Pilgrim

Do you have a copy of the bearings?

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Checkpoint Bearing Notes
Start > 1 75` Ingleborough
1 > 2 10` Hill Inn
2 > 3 355` Whernside
3 > ST 214` E side of Ridge till ST
ST > G 281` Use Gate
G > 4 267` Kingsdale
4 > 5 283` Flag Rt 2 Cnr.+ \ - ST
5 > 6 20` Great Coum
6 > 7 333` NW - Flinter Gill
7 > 8 43` Trk R@end L400m CP Conder Farm
8 > 9 126` Blea Moor
9 > 10 0` Stone House
10 > 11 63` bk ovr rd brdg walled trk under viaduct 2bcn L 341`
11 > 12 167` thru G +fld \ - ST
12 > 13 99` flw S side of fence
13 > 14 87` Dodd Fell
14 > 15 117` bcnd rt thru 2Gs flw trk E-rd
15 > 16 121` Middle Tongue
16 > 17 66` Hell Gap
17 > 18 158` Cray
18 > 19 135` Use ST at 949798
19 > 20 177` Use ST-E sd of wall flw 1ml to G in wall. R@Ghd S
20 > 21 82` Park Rash
21 > 22 142` Great Whernside
22 > 23 183` Capplestone Gate
23 > 24 164` keep wall on R side to jnctn with grn ln.Br L,FP-Yarnbury

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Is your map the BMC Harvey map? (Shows checkpoint 6 (top of Gt. Coum).)
Check with the organisers but possibly just a photocopy of the next section would be sufficient (eg. from OL2).

From CP6 (701835) head ~330 to 691851 and follow track to Dent.

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Yes that's the one. Thanks for the directions.:cool:

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Originally Posted by Donkarlo

Hi Stef,

You will need the Harveys Dales South and Dales West maps to cover the whole route. If you are planning a recce of the section before Dent then its from Ingleton, Ingleborough Summit, Hill Inn(Chapel le Dale), Whernside Summit, Kingsdale(next to Yordas wood), Gregareth summit, Great Coum then to Dent.

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I have ordered the West map - that covers the bit I have missing which is also the section you describe. As I can't check the map until it arrives, do you know whether any of this section is out of bounds?

Thanks

Stef

couple of questions if someone can help;

-coming off whernside, which is route is used, straight down (w) to the road or come back on yourself and make way across?
-am i right in thinking the hardest navigating, i know this may be dependent where you are (and nightime aside) is the harder part getting from redshaw to cray? looking at map theres less, if any at points tracks/lines to follow.

donlarko, abbreviation ST is this stile? dave

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Originally Posted by egor

couple of questions if someone can help;

-coming off whernside, which is route is used, straight down (w) to the road or come back on yourself and make way across?
-am i right in thinking the hardest navigating, i know this may be dependent where you are (and nightime aside) is the harder part getting from redshaw to cray? looking at map theres less, if any at points tracks/lines to follow.

donlarko, abbreviation ST is this stile? dave

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Once you have reached Whernside CP you need to retrace your steps and follow the ridge down for around a mile to the stile at 725789 before heading down High Brown Hill Pasture to Kingsdale Beck & the CP at Yordas Cave.

Redshaw to Snaizeholme CP is quite straight-forward (they are very close to each other), although in the dark a few people do tend to take strange routes up to Dodd Fell. The worst / most navigational errors seem to occur between Fleet Moss and Cray.

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Originally Posted by egor

couple of questions if someone can help;

-coming off whernside, which is route is used, straight down (w) to the road or come back on yourself and make way across?
-am i right in thinking the hardest navigating, i know this may be dependent where you are (and nightime aside) is the harder part getting from redshaw to cray? looking at map theres less, if any at points tracks/lines to follow.

donlarko, abbreviation ST is this stile? dave

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Originally Posted by Anorak

Once you have reached Whernside CP you need to retrace your steps and follow the ridge down for around a mile to the stile at 725789 before heading down High Brown Hill Pasture to Kingsdale Beck & the CP at Yordas Cave.

Redshaw to Snaizeholme CP is quite straight-forward (they are very close to each other), although in the dark a few people do tend to take strange routes up to Dodd Fell. The worst / most navigational errors seem to occur between Fleet Moss and Cray.

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Just a warning Egor the Stile off whernside isn't always there so use the 'Kink' in the wall just short of the Stile as a target point. If the stile isn't visible within 100m Climb over at that point. Lots of people ran down the wall line until they got to the stile a 2-3 years ago and it wasn't there:eek: they ended up a mile or so further down the ridge.

Fleet moss is THE place to get to before dark and as Anorak say's is the trouble spot on the whole route. Worth going down on one knee for a moments prayer before entering. You've pretty much got it in the bag once you get to Cray

I sent off my entry for this years fellsman about 3 weeks ago but had nothing back from them. Cheque has been cashed. So i'm guessing i'm in! :eek:

Just wondering how long it took for the handbook and number to arrive?

I agree Fleet Moss - Middle Tongue - Cray definitely the hardest part of the whole route - mentally, phisically and 'navigationally' - well worth a look if you've not done it before.

The only other part that can be trickey in bad vis is over and off Gt Whernside - at this point most normal humans are pretty wrecked, it's dark and there's no distinct track off the summit. You certainly need a bearing off the checkpoint that takes you on to the fence line.

Sent my entry off 3 weeks ago as well ,cheque's not been cashed and no reply to an e-mail enquiry to the organisers !

Are you doing a lap this year N&G ?

If it's misty watch your line from Gt Coum to the "Flintergill " checkpoint

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Originally Posted by Bobert

I sent off my entry for this years fellsman about 3 weeks ago but had nothing back from them. Cheque has been cashed. So i'm guessing i'm in! :eek:

Just wondering how long it took for the handbook and number to arrive?

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I think they are a bit over-run with entries this year. I've heard nothing yet & have also had my cheque cashed - shouldn't be too long !

Going to see how I feel over 30 miles tomorrow and then decide... i.e. probably 'yes' as I intend to enjoy myself tomorrow:) (even if the weather forecast is correct).

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Originally Posted by Pilgrim

Going to see how I feel over 30 miles tomorrow and then decide... i.e. probably 'yes' as I intend to enjoy myself tomorrow:) (even if the weather forecast is correct).

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Enjoy the day mate, regardless of the weather;)

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Originally Posted by merrylegs

Enjoy the day mate, regardless of the weather;)

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Cheers mate... just feeling a bit pissed off because I can't get the pictures off my camera any more:mad:

Got a few from the half tour to come off and space for only 3 high res ones left.:(
[Took the kids to the half tour and ended up on the video:rolleyes: (~1:49)]

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Originally Posted by egor

donlarko, abbreviation ST is this stile? dave

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Sorry I've been away over the weekend, ST is stile, G is gate as well I think

I do have this as an excel file if anyone wants it ?:)

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Originally Posted by Donkarlo

Sorry I've been away over the weekend, ST is stile, G is gate as well I think

I do have this as an excel file if anyone wants it ?:)

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cheers bearings are helpful, print em off and laminate!

I laminated them and just kept them in my pocket as a quick reference, it helps especially 15 hours in when you are tired !!! If you would like an excel copy I can email you. Just PM me your address.

Fellsman entered :D

The HPM last weekend convinced me it'll be a doddle ;)

See you there then Stolly, good effort

Is the reccee still on for the 5th April?

I thought it was Saturday 4th. We will soon need to finalise start and finish points, meeting times and who's coming. I'll try to have a look by the weekend.

Hi, yes it was the Saturday. I had 5/6 in my head as the dates of the weekend for no good reason! :confused:

I've just checked the map and route. Fleet Moss to the finish is 25 miles. Bearing in mind the terrain, time spent on route optimisations, taking it all in and possible diversions to avoid on-the-day special permission access areas, it could take 8 hours. What do others think?
Car shuttling between Threshfield and Fleet Moss would be straightforward even if it is a bit time consuming. We would need to meet at Threshfield to leave by 8am in up to half the cars for Fleet Moss (the outlook point on the road map and car parking area on the OS map).
We're talking Saturday 4th April. Would anyone prefer to meet earlier for an earlier start? Any other thoughts? Who is definitely going? So far I make it:
BritNick
Stef F

Britnick - count me in for this one. It's still & will remain in the diary for the 4th April. I'm OK with any start time (well within reason LOL!).

Cheers - Mark..

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Originally Posted by BritNick

I've just checked the map and route. Fleet Moss to the finish is 25 miles. Bearing in mind the terrain, time spent on route optimisations, taking it all in and possible diversions to avoid on-the-day special permission access areas, it could take 8 hours. What do others think?
Car shuttling between Threshfield and Fleet Moss would be straightforward even if it is a bit time consuming. We would need to meet at Threshfield to leave by 8am in up to half the cars for Fleet Moss (the outlook point on the road map and car parking area on the OS map).
We're talking Saturday 4th April. Would anyone prefer to meet earlier for an earlier start? Any other thoughts? Who is definitely going? So far I make it:
BritNick
Stef F

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Bugger, bugger, bugger - I wish I'd known sooner you were doing this. I threw my hat into the fellsman ring kind of late, still haven't received my 'manual' and have pretty much zero idea of the lay of the land between Fleet Moss and Buckden Pike. Unfortunately I've agreed to run round the 3 peaks on 5th April with two friends running that race for the first time so can't make 4th April :(

On a seperate issue is it usual to get the manual so late? I love maps and I'd very much like to be studying the potential route from the checkpoint grid references. Can anyone give the grid references while I wait?

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Originally Posted by Stolly

Bugger, bugger, bugger - I wish I'd known sooner you were doing this. I threw my hat into the fellsman ring kind of late, still haven't received my 'manual' and have pretty much zero idea of the lay of the land between Fleet Moss and Buckden Pike. Unfortunately I've agreed to run round the 3 peaks on 5th April with two friends running that race for the first time so can't make 4th April :(

On a seperate issue is it usual to get the manual so late? I love maps and I'd very much like to be studying the potential route from the checkpoint grid references. Can anyone give the grid references while I wait?

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Was checking web-site yesterday and it looked like handbooks haven't been sent yet. What about a 'Stolly map' of the route (like your Edale Skyline original) ? Now there'd be a project! ;):cool:

I'll be there on the 4th, coming from Haworth so happy to pick anyone one up route, and am also planning to do a loop tomorrow looking at Buckden and Gt whernside if any one else is interested

saz

Sorry for any omissions last night. I was rather tired and a bit of a zombie. Here's an updated list:
BritNick
Stef F
markdalton99
saz

Hi all - I'll be coming over from Ripon and am happy to pickup en-route if it helps anyone out.

cheers

Mark....

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Originally Posted by Stolly

On a seperate issue is it usual to get the manual so late? I love maps and I'd very much like to be studying the potential route from the checkpoint grid references. Can anyone give the grid references while I wait?

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Last years (and probably this years) CPs (R = refreshments)
694730 Ingleton (Start)
741746 Ingleborough
744776 Hill Inn R
738814 Whernside
706790 Kingsdale R
688793 Gragareth
700835 Great Coum
691851 Flinter Gill
706868 Dent R
772825 Blea Moor
770860 Stone House R
788871 Great Knoutberry
797843 Redshaw R
809842 Snaizeholme
841846 Dodd Fell
860838 Fleet Moss R
909811 Middle Tongue
934824 Hell Gap
944803 Cray R
961788 Buckden Pike
965753 Top Mere
987757 Park Rash
002739 Great Whernside
002699 Capplestone Gate
015659 Yarnbury
993639 Threshfield (Finish) R

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Originally Posted by Pilgrim

Last years (and probably this years) CPs (R = refreshments)
694730 Ingleton (Start)
741746 Ingleborough
744776 Hill Inn R
738814 Whernside
706790 Kingsdale R
688793 Gragareth
700835 Great Coum
691851 Flinter Gill
706868 Dent R
772825 Blea Moor
770860 Stone House R
788871 Great Knoutberry
797871 Redshaw R
809842 Snaizeholme
841846 Dodd Fell
860838 Fleet Moss R
909811 Middle Tongue
934824 Hell Gap
944803 Cray R
961788 Buckden Pike
965753 Top Mere
987757 Park Rash
002739 Great Whernside
002699 Capplestone Gate
015659 Yarnbury
993639 Threshfield (Finish) R

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Thanks very much Pilgrim. That must have taken you a while.

Yes, thanks Pilgrim. Think I'll dig my maps out in the morning and have how that lot look :)

Please note correction to Redshaw grid ref!:o
correct ref is 797843

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Originally Posted by BritNick

Sorry for any omissions last night. I was rather tired and a bit of a zombie. Here's an updated list:
BritNick
Stef F
markdalton99
saz

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Where are you setting off from? I need to find a camp site. :)

Thanks for the grid refs Stolly and Pilgrim.

Hi Stef F, unless anyone else suggests different, we would park and meet in the lane by the school in Threshfield and drive some cars up the road to the Fleet Moss checkpoint.

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Originally Posted by BritNick

Thanks for the grid refs Stolly and Pilgrim.

Hi Stef F, unless anyone else suggests different, we would park and meet in the lane by the school in Threshfield and drive some cars up the road to the Fleet Moss checkpoint.

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That sounds ok to me. I'll look for a camp site near Threshfield. :)

If anyone knows of a nice quiet farm site do tell!

Thanks
Stef

Hi

I've booked a pitch on a campsite in Threshfield. I'll be travelling at lunch time on Friday so will have no access to the internet from then. Can I exchange phone numbers in case I can't find the meeting place or the arrangements change after I leave?

I'm assuming it's still 8am from the lane by the school (only one school in Threshfield?). I don't mind if you want to make it earlier.

Stef :cool:

Sorry only realised last night that it is the 4th April this weekend, unfortunately I'm going to be working but I'll see you all on the event.

Looking foward to it - is the plan to meet / leave the cars at Threshfield or Yanbury - I would go for the latter unless anyone fancies a 2-3 mile downhill run on the road at the end

I will aim to get there for 07:30 or shortly after. We need to be leaving for Fleet Moss by 08:00.
Saz, it may be best to stick with meeting at the finish location by the school. It will be easier to find for those not used to the area and it should not take us too long to jog the final bit down the roads. We can do some window shopping as we descend through the village, dodging the amblers. ;)

Sorry you can't make the recce Donkarlo. See you in May for the real thing :eek: