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I had the same problem. You need to clear your browser cache. If not sure how to do that, google it for your make/version of browser.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dux de lux
I've posted results on my site and had a couple of comments like this, I get the correct results?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dux de lux
caching error possibly
"CTRL F5" do it a few times and that will clear it.Quote:
Originally Posted by MarkClayton
Having a look at the section from snake road to cp 5 and 6, don't know this bit at all; anyone have any tips; do you start on the Pennine way and head up within clough, cross the ford then upto the cp? Any advice will be much appreciated, save me doing some wandering in the morning and on race day. Cheers good people��
Certainly looks the best way to me... Although my memory tells me that the terrain in this area is pretty typical of this part of the Peak District, I.e a nightmare...
Certainly a race with route secrets aplenty... certainly worth knowing your route from the final checkpoint. I was in a group of 8 or so people at Kinder Low, we scattered in all directions, and I made up around 10 minutes on most of them. However I was more peeved at cruising past IanDP At Kinder Downfall, only to find he somehow beat me back by 5 minutes...
A fantastic race, and the time of year adds such a great element to the race... Can't wait for January...
Spare seat going in the Totley to Marsden minibus if anyone wants it. £10. Leave at 06:15
Just arrived in Marsden after having a pre-race massage in Leeds... Gorgeous weather today. Not so sure its forecast to be as nice tomorrow, but very much looking forward to this one...
I'll be on the Finish line or at least in the finish Area..Have fun, keep warm and say hi to the Rescue team Marshals with out the race wouldn't go ahead.
Still snow on all the moors around Marsden but the rain will wash it away tomorrow.
Enjoy your day folks.
Tricky crossing at Crowden Little Brook
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Very hard stuff today. Thought it turned out slightly warmer than last year, but the running conditions were atrocious.
5hrs26 which while almost half hour slower than last year, given the conditions and the extra checkpoints, I was extremely happy with. The guys at the finish reckoned people were averaging nearly an hour slower, and around 20 people had already dropped out.
Believe I was 55th. If that turns out correct, then I would have been top 50 but for cramping up on the Pennines Way back in the valley.
Bleaklow was a dreadful trudge in today's conditions, and the final descent off Kinder was tough. Last year that descent was flat out in the better conditions, but this year every step into slush or thigh-deep snow.
Got to give credit to Ba-Ba, not just for winning, but starting off in t-shirt and shorts... What a mentalist...!!
Can't say enough thanks to the mountain rescue who manned the checkpoints... At least we were moving, they were stuck there all day.
Great start to the running year...
Pete
Trigger - Album 1 enjoy https://www.flickr.com/photos/mossie...57679186395355
Great photos! Gets the trainers clean anyway
Well done Ba Ba again.
It was Nat in 2nd who was in t-shirt and shorts until snake where he put a jacket on. He out manpointed me as I started in full warm lycra and winter jacket. But he was wrapped in tinfoil at the end.
I was 17 mins slower than last year, but lost at least 5mins at the wreck and a few minutes on Bleaklow.
Ideal conditions (and field) for me today.
Thanks to all the runners..and marshals and the Woodhead angels who made and served in the hall afterwards.
We have a debrief tonight so any constructive comments are always welcome.
We had a number of very cold runners at the end quite a few at the sharp end who went with Minimum kit, I worried for some of the later runners but as they were properly kitted out they were tired but fine.
The use of Ultra LW water proofs will be discussed tonight 2 of the coldest runners were in the Lightest jackets on the market, clearly they are not up to the job of a 5 hour winter race despite.
I'm trying to think of rules that could be used...
"If your waterproof looks too light, you'll be asked to carry another one at the marshal's discretion."
As far as super-lightweight waterproofs go I think sometimes only experience makes you shell out on a good one - for me Skyline 2015 in a lightweight WP (still was warm but aware a trip and I had nothing else to put on) saw me shell out for a Gore-tex 'winter' jobbie.
Trigger Album 2 - enjoy I know they are repetitive but ... much better if you press the slideshow toggle on Flickr.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/mossie...57677508846831
That's a valid point and a difficult one to sort out. Sometimes you just have to hope that experienced fell runners will know what is required by the conditions they face. Sunday was blooming freezing! It would be hard to enforce what type of jacket as long as it has taped seams they could argue that they are conforming to the rules. On the other hand we all need to take responsibility for ourselves and wonder is a few grams really worth it. When cold we use more energy to keep warm so will run out of speed pretty quickly.Quote:
Originally Posted by IanDarkpeak
Instead of trying to rewrite the waterproof jacket and trousers rule how about ADDING 'full sleeve base layer and full leg base layer (could be compression socks and three quarter leggings) must be worn not carried". We all love our sport and no one wants to see a participant taken off to hospital or worse due to inadequate kit.
Those that put these races on have a hard enough job so a few helpful suggestions would be more than welcome. I hope you get a few constructive comments Ian. Well done on a great race.
We saw the photos and thought "Blooming heck!" We usually come along to watch and cheer everyone on near to Snake Pass but after seeing the weather forecast we stayed local. I went for a run on the Tissington Trail in my winter jacket lol! Nothing would of been warm enough for me up with you guys :-)
I'm with RTS on this one. It's not just the waterproof on the outside that matters, you need enough layers of good clothing inside; although trying to enforce base layers may be a step too far for kit-checkers!
I have been wearing Helly Hansen long-sleeved top and leggings on most of my runs in the recent cold weather, on hills that are nowhere above 250m. But then, I do tend to be rather conservative in my choice of clothing (I once wore a woollen sweater in a fell race!); and I would rather be uncomfortably hot on the initial climb than having to faff around putting extra clothing on when I reach the exposed moorland.
I'm nowhere near the elite, so not really in a position to comment, but does carrying an extra layer really slow you down that much that you need to take the risk...?
Carrying an extra layer or two certainly doesn't slow me down enough to warrant taking the risk.
For the record, after suffering last year, I wore an additional base layer, better gloves, and had my vest outside everything, so no messing about with zips at the checkpoints this year. Apart from as Anthony mentions above, being rather hot on the initial run to the Isle Of Skye road, I was much more comfortable generally.
Although I do remember being so knackered at one point whilst somewhere between Upper Booth and Edale, being absolutely out-smarted by a gate for about 30 seconds, too wrecked to work out how to get through it. I guess the fatigue just creeps up on you.
Best race yet for me, taking it steady from the off saw me right and finished well. Always a tough race and yesterday was no exception, especially the river crossings making you cold and cramping up legs.
With regards to kit - I was wearing a smelly jelly under an event jacket and hat, gloves and gore tex mittens all the way round. I also had a spare HH warm base layer, spare gloves and a buff in my bag as well as my waterproof trousers. I'm glad I had the gear with me and doubt on a race this long carrying it will make much difference on performance - it's all about the training you've done previously.
It's great having the extra gear, it's having the sense to realise you need to stop and put it on. At Wasdale in the summer I had to stop and put on pretty much all the gear I'd wear in a winter run - also read Nicky's account of that race.
Well done everyone and looking forward to next year
IMO there are some conditions where shorts and (hairy) legs are better than full lycra which retains water and perpetuates coldness.
I wore all the kit to start but know it keeps me warm. I was a bit too warm on the first track but from Skye road onwards was fine - not too hot or cold despite my hands taking an early dunking (with both under and overgloves).
Having a survival bag made me confident enough to not carry another base layer - on long (summer weather) races I'd rather carry a survival bag than a pair of overtrousers.
I do sometimes wonder about carrying a spare baselayer when I start off in one, but I now have enough confidence in my GoreTex jacket that it will keep the layer I'm already wearing dry (save a bit of sweat) and warm.
Wearing a vest over your waterproof jacket makes it easier to show your number, but if its a breathable jacket it surely negates this property in the covered area, leading to less wicking and damper undergarments.
Results are up: http://www.marsdentoedale.co.uk/Results.htm
FRA rules are sufficient...I know its controversial but a RO could ask for a waterproof suitable for the conditions and I'm sorry but I think the ultra LW stuff just isn't for a winter race where you are out for 5-6 hours in bad conditions. luckily I'm not the RO....;pQuote:
Originally Posted by noel
What jacket were you wearing Nick as I'm in the market for a new one
Haglofs gram comp. Got it cheap couple years back end of line. Still thick end of £150 mind but does the trick in winter.
Yes like the look of them, always pricey but they seem to be worth the money. I believe they're paclite / active shell, which always seems to last alot longer than other things.
Anyone else in for Sunday?
Conditions look like they could be interesting again.
MrRTS is coming out to play :-) Beau dog and I will be on Kinder or down at the bottom of Jacobs depending on how the weather is. No use coming up to get photos at the trig if cant see bugger all in the mist. :-) good luck everyone :-)Quote:
Originally Posted by Travs
Here are my snaps taken from Dean Clough, well done to all.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/980116...57664666756388
Great photos Mr Clough, thank you.
Tough as ever today. Managed quite a significant pb. Half an hour quicker than last year, and still quicker than 2016 which was a faster course following the flags all the way onto Kinder. Whilst this should be a cause for celebration, still tinged with a little disappointment after a couple of glaring errors.
Flying up to Black Hill, comfortably in the top 30, and whilst I knew I couldn't hold that position until the end, I decided to throw it away almost immediately by staying too long on the Pennine Way and missing the normal route across Sliddens, resulting in much tracking across some nasty tussocks ground. Only consolation was taking about 30 people with me who blindly "followed the leader".
Picked up again after Crowden and got it just about perfect across Bleaklow, but things went awry again after Snake Pass. I had taken a bit of a lunatic line to Withins Clough, then decided to try and run directly down the Clough, then decided it looked nicer on the hillside above. All this faffing around left me a long way behind the people I had been in front of at Snake Pass, and really fatigued my legs. Struggled round Kinder edge in pursuit of the sub 5 hours, but was never sure I would make it until the last mile down the Pennine Way into Edale.
So plenty to improve on. But a big pb, first big race of the year, and actually managing to claw back a place on the final couple of miles, whilst under a bit of pressure from behind, means I should be relatively content.
Hello to TrevorM. Ba-ba congratulations again, I was going to say hello at the start but you were in conversation. And hello to Mr and Mrs RaceTheSweeper, fantastic running Nigel. I pulled out a gap on Bleaklow, but you hammered me after Snake Pass (as you mentioned, the race doesn't start until then!!).
Pete
Once again a great day out, got very cold in the later stages over kinder, glad to drop down into the valley.
I also went down Withens not sure it was a good idea, I seem to remember it being better going in the grough but it was very mixed. Possible following the flags and then striking directly south (west of Withins) may have been the better option.
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Originally Posted by DrPatrickBarry
Yes it was bitterly cold on the Kinder edge into the wind.
Agree on the best route option up to Kinder. How simple it looks on a map!
When I got to Withins I say a few people running parallel to the east of it. Fools I though,it is easier in the the grough, far from it. It is really only the last couple of hundred metres, where it gets wider that it gets to be good running in it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Travs
At Snake Pass I was two minutes or so ahead of RaceTheSweeper of this very forum. He took the high road to the east, and I was down in the grough. Admittedly I faffed about a lot, but he was past the aircraft wreck and heading up to the fence corner, by the time I crossed the Ashop river. The extra exertion from the crap terrain also wore me down, and I basically pulled myself up the fence onto Kinder plateau (then proceeded to head along the north edge for a hundred yards or so, before realising I was being absolutely stupid!)Quote:
Originally Posted by DrPatrickBarry
This link is taking me to the 2017 results. I'm sure Spike was not there on Sunday :-) He is off doing mad stuff with sticks attached to his feet.Quote:
Originally Posted by DrPatrickBarry
ctrl F5 to refresh it.Quote:
Originally Posted by RaceTheSweeper