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Mmm... some "interesting" debate there but still none the wiser. When I'm running along this path, the dog will be at my heel so unlikely to stray outside the designated confines of the footpath. Walking is a different matter of course so I guess technically he could be trespassing when he's off the lead.Quote:
Originally Posted by DrPatrickBarry
I doubt it really matters - just curious if you could enforce such a thing on a public footpath. I would have thought if it was a permissive path or on access land then the landowner could stipulate what they like within reason. I know areas of Northumbria are completely dog free for example.
As it's private land I think the only thing the farmer could do is sue for trespass (assuming it's an empty field- if livestock are present and being worried, well, that's a different matter!). So to sue for trespass, he's got to show some some sort of financial loss for compensation or seek an injunction and that's assuming your dog strays from the footpath. Who is really going to bother with the expense of doing all that? Hence, I guess he just puts the sign up and hopes most people do as it asks. Another alternative, I suppose if possible, is that the farmer contacts the local authority and sees if he can have a dog control order placed on that public right of way. Local Authority Land is usually under a dog control order these days and so having a dog on a lead can be enforced on roadsides and parks etc. Would anyone know why this couldn't be extended to public footpaths on private land? It would be a bit of a pain if every footpath did get a dog control order on it.Quote:
Originally Posted by PeteS
As someone trying to ensure my sheep and lambs don't die/suffer serious harm from:
Entropion, scours, staggers, swayback, E-coli, clostirdial diseases, Pasturella, scab, enzootic abortion, hypoglaecemia, hypocalceamia, twin lamb disease, blue tongue, Q fever, coccidiosis, tapeworm, lungworm, liver fluke, foot rot, scald and watery mouth (to name but a few)in the day to day running of things I will always be nervous when I see an unknown dog off the lead on the footpath through the farm.
There are very, very few people who would knowingly let an aggressive dog get amongst livestock but any dog, and I include my own, could have a funny 5 minutes if the mood takes them. Imagine you had a pet lamb in your back garden and someone came walking through with a dog off the lead. You know your dog but others don't so please bear this in mind particularly at this time of year and save anyone who's lambing any more stress!
The bigger threat to sheep, is abattoirs ;)
But seriously, you do have my sympathy Ed D.
PS Yes, my dog is a danger to lambs. He eats, lamb and rice dog food.
Interesting reversal of the argument in Romania. The shephards are protesting about the limit on the number of dogs they can have.
Apparently "over zelus" shephard dogs are attacking and killing dogs belonging to hunters!
http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...t-sheepdog-law
This Guardian article (link below) tells a curious story about a dog and a seal. Some extracts:-
"I try to take my dog Sully, a staffordshire bull terrier, for a good, long walk most days. Sully’s a rescue dog, and a bit bonkers. He would never hurt anyone...."
[Uh oh - sounds familiar]
"... to my horror, Sully bit the seal near one of its flippers..."
I'm not sure that the article's headline
(naming the seal as the attacker) is quite accurate!
http://www.theguardian.com/lifeandst...-seal-cornwall
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"Ahhhh how sweet. My dog loves licking people"
Its the 99% of dog owners that give the rest a bad name.
Well said! Today I had 'don't worry he's all talk' as a dog came barking at me in the lakes.Quote:
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Brilliant, I like that one Will!Quote:
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It is the "he dosn't bite" after he he's bitten you that is the classic.Quote:
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Or....."I didn't think he'd do that, when he was on the lead" .....as if it would have been fine if he had bitten me when off the lead!Quote:
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Surprised it's taken so long for someone to post this. I immediately thought of the fallout on this thread when I saw it yesterday. Whilst my sympathy goes to those poor children this is unfortunately more proof of irresponsible owners giving dogs a bad name.
It would seem that initially the children were playing with and "having fun" with the dog. I suspect they did not understand its body language, and did not realise it felt threatened - not the children's fault, but not the dog's either. Where was the owner? A very sad sequence of events.
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Unfortunately this ewe is no longer with us, to quote the owner of the dog that ripped half its face off after chasing it from the top of Mam Tor "my 8yr old niece was holding the lead". Having descended Mam Tor (Castleton side) to retrieve the "dog" he was unwilling to check on the ewe and very keen to climb back up again to reunite the dog with the children in his group (a 3yr old, a 5yr old and an 8yr old). I am sure the they would have enjoyed wiping the blood and gore from their "pets" mouth. I was able to summon the farmer and his mates were very keen to see the photo I took of the owner, they went to look for him, fingers crossed for an appropriate outcome.
It sounds like you would like nothing better than for the dog to be shot! Its horrible that the dog did the attack and I'm in no way condoning that but the chap, having got his dog back under control, was probably worried by having to leave his three children (aged 3, 5 and 8) alone on the top of Mam Tor while he did so. The kids would have been horrified and traumatised too and he was probably (rightly) worried sick about them, not to mention his dog's life too in the hands of an angry farmer and his 'mates'.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fat and Forty
In the circumstances the dog owner was caught between a rock and a hard place and probably couldn't have done right one way or the other, having failed so abysmally to control his dog in the first place.
And for just a little bit of perspective the real value of that ewe to the farmer might just be in the deadweight at market of lost lambs - aren't something like 15 million sheep/lambs slaughtered each year in the UK? Again there's no excuse for the dog attack other than horrible accidents do sometimes happen and hopefully a really hard lesson has been learned (at the poor ewes expense). And even more hopefully the chap will now contact the farmer and offer compensation and sincere apologies
I couldn't summon the words myself earlier but well said, sir!Quote:
Originally Posted by Stolly
Very well put Stolly. It is awful that that happened but I feel too many people are just awaiting an excuse to shoot a dog at the moment. Even those under control are coming under attack now. This man should of had his dog under control and like you I hope he contacts the farmer and makes recompense for the loss of the animal. This has never happened to us with our dog but if it ever did I think I would of got out of there PDQ and hidden my pet too, then contacting the farmer and sending him cash through the post! The majority of pet owners are responsible and do have control of their dogs. We never hear about them though as that isnt blood thirsty enough. Well done to the search and rescue dogs with the help of Edale MRT that found that chappie who was lying injured yesterday :-)Quote:
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I'm not sure paying off the farmer is a completely satisfactory answer to this problem. Doesn't this terrible incident raise questions about the safety of the three young children?
Just another irresponsible dog owner, I couldn't even begin to defend any of his actions. If we traded the word dog for gun in the incident there would be outrage and I don't see it any different either way.
Hopefully, that might be the final post.....
My new pup does bite!! Meet Jess (aged 11 weeks)
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awww, how cute. Welcome :-)Quote:
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I do hope so - this thread has long outstayed its welcome and seems to have morphed into a dog bashing post which I doubt was the intention of the original postee.Quote:
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Lovely pup by the way - labrador?
Exactly what Derby Tup and myself feel!Quote:
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Yup, working Lab
Jess looks a fabulous dog Brett. Looking forward to meeting her soon
Here bleeding here. Aren't something like 0.25% of all men in the UK in prison? Given an 8.5 million dog population that means that 21,250 of all UK dogs could equally be bad uns to just be as criminally bad as men. Fortunately most dogs are not nearly so wicked :)Quote:
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Take that not at all contrived and convulated statistic dog haters 😊. My point is really that the vast majority of dogs are gorgeous, loving, loyal and brilliant best friends, nothing at all like what certain "doggists" around here make out
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There's always one that wants to take it one post too far..:DQuote:
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I'm not a dog hater...it's there owners I have issues with..4 dogs in the rescue team, 7 or so in the Club, 1 next door all perfectly well behaved and under control.... but not all are like that..Quote:
Originally Posted by Stolly
re the sheep and going back and paying for the damage...ok all well and good, but what of the pain and suffering of the sheep it'self...?
...and that I promise you is my last word....;) or is it....:)
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That was Jess early morning. This is late evening http://www.cafepress.co.uk/+i_love_s...shirt,78328638Quote:
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Stats will tell you anything - I used to do it for a living. But at the end of the day there is good and bad in all society be that human or canine but I think this thread has proven without a doubt this is the human factor that has the problem and not the dogs.
I looked back at the first few pages of this thread and what started off as mildly amusing observations on a common runners problem and some useful insight on dog behaviour has deteriorated in to farsical rhetoric.
I blame the owners ;)
I agree with IDP. This post is not doggist but probably irresponsible-ownerist!
I agree that most dog owners are sensible - especially those that also run - but a significant enough minority either don't care or don't think things through enough that sometimes their dog can, through no fault of its own most of the time, cause problems for runners.
I meet many dogs on my runs - some I know, and am (relatively) happy to put up with them bounding toward me, as I know they just want to play (even if I don't!). One or two others, well sometimes you just don't know until it's too late. Even a little nip can be a right pain in the arse if it entails a visit to A&E for a jab...
It's also a safety issue for the dogs themselves, especially small ones who like to play or chase as per their nature. They can sometimes be pretty daft and dive right in front of your feet. Being hit by a a runner many times their size at 8mph is not likely to do them much good! I've tripped over dogs once or twice before and very recently had one take the full force of my knee with its jaw in an accidental collision when it leapt out in front of me with no warning. I don't think me, the dog or the owner really thought that was a good result! The dog was OK by the way, though judging by how much my knee hurt it can't have been far away from a broken jaw.
Jess is lovely by the way Brett - makes me wish again that I had my own dog to run with!
8mph . . . . in my dreams . . . .
I am not doggist, although it clearly it comes across like that! I grew up with dogs in the family and I am personally happy around dogs that I am already comfortable with, I've run with other peoples dogs who are in our club. Well behaved familiar dogs are great fun.
BUT I think many dog owners assume their dog will treat strangers the same way it treats them, I think some also assume people are "cool" with this behavior from strange dogs...
Unfortunately some of us have very good reasons that we want your dog to stay away, one of my daughters is terrified of dogs of any kind, even "soft" dogs, but especially "bull" dogs (read staffies etc). The other has been hospitalised with an extreme reaction to animal dander. So basically when any type of dog arrives on the scene panic ensues.
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Dan - when I compare these different perspectives, you have my sympathy. Like you I've encountered some friendly well-behaved dogs. But others are terrifying. I'm not convinced that dog attacks on children can be explained away as a result of the children not appreciating that the dog feels "threatened" by them. It suggests an act of self defence when, in reality, many incidents seem to have all the hallmarks of uncontrolled aggression.Quote:
Originally Posted by djglover
Most of you guys will remember my views on dogs. I love them. I used to race with one back in the days when it was acceptable. I've never been bothered by dogs. Been nipped a couple of times whilst running....an occupational hazard.
Until now.
One of these:
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Damn thing hit me like a truck with fangs and went straight for my throat. Had I not parried the lunge with my forearm I seriously think I would not be here to tell the tale. Needless to say, the le chien est mort and the boys in blue are involved.
Don't know where I stand now. Still in shock really.