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Good read.
Puts more shame on sports.
Wonder how many amateurs take stuff?
Some of this, though clearly not all, is down to how close to the wind you're willing to accept for yourself. For moderate amateurs like myself its 'Do I use excess caffine? Do I use Ibuprofen in Ultra's? Salazar and Brailsford appear, at least, to be cut from the same cloth...its the old marginal gains taken to the extreme. What do we consider cheating...the lines can be blurred to a point. Still not sure about Wiggins/Sky etc (...though evidence for going over the line is becoming compelling!) and now its similar here with Oregon/Salazar/Farah. You end up just hoping they're clean.
It's clearly cheating when you take a powerful corticosteroid with the sole intention of making you faster. Same with all other drugs including caffeine. Proving intent is difficult when you make allowances for some substances. The way around that is to ban the use of these drugs so we don't have to take the word of athletes and co. I believe that may be the case with corticosteroids in the near future.
At what level does testing begin in 'our sport' if any? I assume that once athletes reach a level where they represent England or gb in euro or world mountain running races they might be tested. Is that the case?
.... another one bites the dust ....
This feels like the start. No more sprinting to the finish of a 2-04 26 and a bit miler, no more also-rans being World no 1 plus the fella with the Weller can't have long left now. It's good. Like all the badness is going to be expunged
Taken awhile :rolleyes:
https://www.cyclingweekly.com/news/l...ncement-493171
It's happened again. "We're going to win and we're going to win clean" is about what they said. How hollow do the words of Sutton et al sound now? It's one fiasco after another, how can british cycling ever recover...
Three laptops lost/stolen/destroyed
:D
Another team will rise from the ashes. They'll make a big song and dance about how they're not cheating. And the cycling watching public will believe them. And repeat...Quote:
Originally Posted by mr brightside
I'm done with professional cycling
I believed Armstrong
I believed Wiggins
I'm so disappointed
I'll just ride my bike and anybody that passes me... they are doping obvs...
There are a few public honours, Knighthoods, OBE's and MBE's that might have to be revoked having been awarded on the back of suspect performances.
They are probably riding an ebike 😂.Quote:
Originally Posted by brett
Now, we all need to remember that '..it's the taking part not winning that counts' $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ :DQuote:
Originally Posted by noel
I find that if one is generally sceptical about the integrity of one's fellow man then one is rarely disappointed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mossdog
With respect, Lovable Lance only failed one drug test (cortisone)and he owned his own EPO factory so he could get the stuff discounted.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marco
Yeees. Although the Vuelta is organised by a French company who would like to "internationalise" the event even more and so are perhaps less sensitive to Spanish opinion.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marco
I remember when the wonderful Nibali (who is always good value with his contempt for the media) was kicked out of the Giro for hanging onto a team car doing around 60 mph when filmed from the helicopter. One might have thought this was a noble gesture by the Italian RO but, of course, it was the commissaires who chucked him out and they are not all Italians.
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Originally Posted by Marco
Not really sure that anything much, other than prize money (and thus the temptation) has moved on since the 1880s
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...ses_in_cycling
OK I know the 1886 reference may be apocryphal but there is no smoke without fire
Good point JK. That wikipedia page is astonishing.
I seem to remember a discussion on here about 8 years ago that went something along the lines of "...goes to show how far we've moved on from Virenque's era."
If history has shown us anything it's that those winning now haven't been caught yet.
Of course, we could just accept that many are doping to small degrees within safe limits, and it's all part of the sport.
I think the best comment I have heard on this issue (specifically with reference to the Tour de France) was along the lines of, "How can one expect any human to be cycling for 21 days at that intensity without some chemical assistance?"
Never mind taking the illegal enhancing stuff, isn’t today’s mine field more about what you can take legally? You know painkillers, caffeine, nicotine, asthma medication, keto supplements, beetroot juice and bicorbonate of soda? Plus boosters of supplements that naturally occur in food that are allowable but are taken in big doses far in excess of any natural occurrence? Specific diet plans, oxygen deprivation training, the list goes on. Worst of all there’s always those annoying bastards that train harder than anyone else and/or were born genetically fitter than anyone else :)
You mean like footballers "winning" penalties?Quote:
Originally Posted by noel
Obviously OK if it's my team but absolutely outrageous if the other side score.
Oh the moral dilemmas!Quote:
Originally Posted by Fellbeast
Think of poor old Bradley when Big Dave told him he needed an injection for his asthma.
"But I haven't got asthma Mr Brailsford"
"Of course you haven't you idiot but you are a mediocre road rider being propped up by Froomey and with this injection you can win the Tour, become immortal to your country men, be knighted by the Queen, become a millionaire, get your name on bikes and kit and never need to start doing an honest day's work.
You might need to tell a few lies afterwards but I am sure that won't trouble you...so shut up and bare your arm now. It won't hurt a bit".
I've been reading some of the race information/instructions for UTMB, not that I'm entering, although I did the TMB more than 45 years ago. There appears to be a pretty thorough drugs policy with requirements to abstain from particular things that might not always be thought of as banned for a period before the race and a drugs testing policy. Let's hope it never comes to that over here.
Where's CL?
Beetroot shots and coffee first thing in the morning - tick; protein spread throughout the day - tick; carbs and protein ASAP after training - tick; Vitamin D replacement dose as recommended by the NHS - tick. It very quickly becomes routine, but all legal. I can understand how high dose supplements - and more - would also become routine - that nightly micro-dose injection of EPO a la Armstrong?Quote:
Originally Posted by Fellbeast
I have multi-vitamin and zinc in the morning, protein powder morning and evening, and glucosamine sulphate too. I assume all legal. I should probably check... the odd fell race which has governance by BA/UKA (the inter-counties for example) does carry the potential of being tested.
I used to take this. My physiotherapist thought it was a good idea.Quote:
Originally Posted by Travs
When I had an operation on my knee my surgeon, who specialised in knee surgery and was nothing if not brutally frank, said it was a complete waste of money and I would get more benefit from spending the money saved on a holiday. :)
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This is an interesting take on supplements https://www.informationisbeautiful.n...ents-vizsweet/
My wife had me on glucosamine for a year or so, when it was all the rage, but gave it up some while back. Never noticed a scrap of difference when I went on or came off it.
Taken a vitamin D the last two winters (probably need it all the time here in Wales 🌧️), the experts seem to think it is worth having for us oldies.
Some years back I went to a talk given by a Professor of Pharmacology. He pointed out that only those studies funded by the manufacturers of glucosamine showed any benefit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Graham Breeze
So the trick is to get enrolled in one of those studies.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mike T
..... and not get the placebo.Quote:
Originally Posted by noel
Apart from a daily glass of Beetroot Juice (Because I enjoy it) I am very aware of what I eat and figure that simply by eating/living right and sensibly then there is no need for supplements.
+1, except for the beetroot juice. I have always relied on a balanced diet, and never taken any supplements (apart from when I participated in an experiment involving folic acid supplements).Quote:
Originally Posted by JohnK
I saw a study on football players in southern Spain - even they saw a significant fall in Vitamin D levels over the winter - hence taking a replacement dose of Vitamin D - despite my high intake of oily fish and mushrooms. As soon as the natural UV light has any effect on my skin I will stop taking it.Quote:
Originally Posted by anthonykay
Nobody knows. Laughing in a corner somewhere probably, from what i remember he prophesied this.Quote:
Originally Posted by millipede