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Have just seen Runner today in the clinic that has been running for the past two weeks with pain, If he had rested then taken action to get the injury treated he would be running now. The fact is that he has now a cronic injury that may take several weeks to recover
I can see your point, but ask every member of this form and I bet 90% of them would say they have atleast one case of 'pain'.
If I was to sit around every other run because such a thing hurts id only run a handful of times a year.
conditions such as plantar fasciitis, achilles tendonitis, ilio-tibial band syndrome etc need to be rested/rehab'd
serious injuries such as muscle/tendon tears need rest/rehab also
minor injuries such as muscle/tendon strains can be "run through" - if I don't strain something on my serious training runs then I know I haven't been trying hard enough :D
obviously, the trick is knowing the difference between what will get better on a "two steps forward, one step back" basis
and what will just get worse...
Minor injuries become cronic. if you carry on
How very timely: you must have just been watching me. I've just got back in from an aborted 7mi road run after my ITB 'niggle' came back 1.86mi* into it. Thought about carrying on, but decided it has been making itself felt too often recently, so limped back home instead. 3.68mi in 33.32 - rock on!:DQuote:
Originally Posted by injury advice
Strict two weeks off, with stretches and ITB massage every night. See you 'round:(
*God bless the Garmin!:rolleyes:
Pain means MAN UP!
Thats meant as a joke. Although I d know many runners who are so hypersensitive to any niggle they are never training let alone racing.
Pain is weakness leaving the body.
I just got rid of lots of pain. Left some near Crowden and some on Bleaklow.
I bet you took some of your placebo tablets with you And drank some Albmaleaf. thats the reason you left the pain behind. well done you are learning
Well I rubbed some Albmaleaf on my ankle when I got back. Then went out for another run when child number 1 asked "Dad shall we go for a run?" Ouch. Left a bit more pain on Lad's Leap race route.
To paraphrase Mr Naylor, if I rested every time I had an ache or pain, I'd never get out of bed in the morning.
Ime not Talking about Aches. I meant if there is a constant area thats causing a problem stop and get it sorted
Yes, but there's always a 'but' isn't there. I can't remember ever running through a pain or an injury and regretting it - it's all part of an endurance sport isn't it, not to give in? It's psychologically essential and confidence-building.Quote:
Originally Posted by injury advice
I'm not saying you should keep going regardless, but if you get into a mindset of letting niggles and injuries get the better of you then you've lost half the battle.
I only get to the hills every now and again, and if I sacked off the opportunity to run each time I felt crocked, I'd hardly run at all. You grit your teeth through the first five miles and then more often than not, you're fine.
Just my opinion like. :)
Turning into an interesting debate this
I get tendonitis in achilles, a touch of pf, tight calves, runners knee that comes and goes and I struggle downstairs every morning. Like most things in life its common sense. If you're proper injured you can't run, otherwise just MAN it out :cool:
Can i just add that ITBS can't be manned, i manned mine instead of getting it looked at and my constant moaning on here reflects the result. :o
Wow its incredible the amount of arm chair physios that are arguing with a proper physio (no offence) all id o when im injured is get on the indoor rower or run ont track for a while
Not sure anyone is really arguing Tom ;) Many if not most runners, have niggles, which they tend to ignore. The older you get the more this is likely to be the case.
Bloody twisted ankle is still giving me jip and ive got a big race tomorrow...strap it me thinksQuote:
Originally Posted by Derby Tup
Good luck. Don't try to run if you can't run properly ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by TurboTom
Last time I HTFUd my ITB, I couldn't bend it properly for a couple of weeks (kind of important in running) and was out of it for a good few months. Just avoiding making the same mistake twice. A couple of week's rest at this stage, with some appropriate remedial work, should allow me a summer of hassle-free running, rather than a series of aborted attempts to restart and another wasted year.
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Originally Posted by Derby Tup
Well I'm firmly in the DT camp on this; if I'd chosen not to run because of the odd twisted ankle, pulled calf and jarred knee in the past two years, I reckon I'd have been running for about a day and a half ;)
My rule of thumb is....
If it hurts too much to run on it, don't run :rolleyes:
If it doesn't hurt too much, do
Sharp stabbing pain is usually a no-no but dull aches or calf strains are fine :)
Like a knife in the outside of my knee.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stolly
Do you think I'm getting a bit too defensinve about this?:o:rolleyes:
Definitely agree about the bad ITB... there's no running through it.
Even if you could physically push on when it flares up (pretty much impossible in my experience as the pain is such that I kind of involuntarily collapse as I can't bear any weight on it!), it'd be a million(ish) times worse the next time you tried to run on it.
I don't like having a dodgy ITB.
Sorry guys I totally disagree with this "Stop being soft and get on with it" approach
After reading this thread I felt slightly inspired. I have been doing 15minute runs and building the knee back up slowly. I just went out for a 20 minute run on flat grass.
First 5 minutes a stabbing pain in knee about every minute "Stop being soft keep going" I told myself
10 - 15minutes A pain every 20 seconds "Stop being soft keep going" I told myself
Last 5 minutes stabbing pain in knee every step. "Forget it"
It aint happening for me, this aint being soft and it certainly would not handle any downhills in a fell race.
Its been two and a half years, 5 physios, orthotics and a heck of a lot of strenthening, stretching and frustration.
I used to live and breathe fell running I really did. Hence my determination to get back.
I know injuries I can run through I ran on painful ankles all the time, they loosen up.
Time for a scan me thinks probably two years too late.
So my two penneth for what its worth is "not everyone can just crack on through the pain".
Cheers
Jamie
:(Sorry to hear that Jamie. I'm seriously considering accupuncture. You looked at this?
Scan first pal,
It wont do any harm to get a nhs scan.
Im probably seeing the best of the 5 physios I have seen. He reckons I need to sort my core stability out which could take months.
My last post sounded really angry, thats not the case.:)
Cheers
Jamie
Hey Jamie, try a bit of DIY massaging it's working for me to cirtain extents.Quote:
Originally Posted by NotOnUrHelly
Sit on a chair with the bad leg off the edge and feel for the bone in the side of your leg with your fingertips side by side, you'll feel the muscle mass above your fingers and the tips will sort of be in a groove. Massage your fingertips up and down in a vertical motion so you feel the muscle mass 'popping' over the tips of your fingers and the bone. If you've got it right it'll hurt but keep kneading away, two or three short sessions a day and see how it goes, i'm feeling a bit better after 4 days.
My physio said the same. I'm doing Pilates to help with this.Quote:
Originally Posted by NotOnUrHelly
Jamie, I certainly didn't mean to sound blase about serious injury. I'm lucky enough not to have one!Quote:
Originally Posted by NotOnUrHelly
There are lots of levels and types of pain and injury, and I guess it's knowing what will deteriorate and what you can run through.
I just know for myself that as I have a massive lazy streak, it's tempting for me to go 'ah twinge in the old knee there, I'll not go out today, I might go to the pub instead ...' and I have to fight that. I've not got some massively high pain threshold either (I wish it was higher!) but I try to ignore the sciatic pain I get because frankly I don't think a great deal can be done about it.
There are obviously injuries that no one could or should try to run through, and I wish you a quick and successful recovery mate. :)
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Originally Posted by ZootHornRollo
Absolutely no offence taken pal,
This injury is just bugging me now, I just had a rant yesterday after a not very successful 20minute run.
Cheers
Jamie
I was married to a pain for 20 years but im ok now.