Mizuno Ascend & Cabrakan shoes

'Ow do,

Am looking for a shoe that offer a bit more in terms of support and cushioning etc than my favourite fell shoe, the Mizuno Wave Harrier.

I see that Mizuno do a Wave 'Ascend' and a 'Cabrakan'.

Does anyone have any experience wearing/using these shoes etc? The Harrier fit is spot on for me so keen to try the more "trail-y" Mizunos.

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Originally Posted by jodg

'Ow do,

Am looking for a shoe that offer a bit more in terms of support and cushioning etc than my favourite fell shoe, the Mizuno Wave Harrier.

I see that Mizuno do a Wave 'Ascend' and a 'Cabraka

Does anyone have any experience wearing/using these shoes etc? The Harrier fit is spot on for me so keen to try the more "trail-y" Mizunos.

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Have a look a the Nike red rocks 11, lots of cushioning and good grip, especially for the broader foot

39.99 at sportshoes unltd

Thanks for the tip Antisocial, I'll take a look.

Ey up Jodg,

Bit of a curveball, but I'm a huge fan of the NB MT840. Trail oriented with good cushioning but also suitable for the fells if its not too extreme. You could certainly Trunce in them for example. And I ran at Bradwell in them OK as well as taking them out on a few 16 and 17 milers around and about the Peak District. And they're only £50. I've got two pairs and they are absolutely brilliant. I like the Wave Harrier too, but my pair haven't seen the light of day since I brought the NBs home.

Heres the spec at Accelerate http://www.accelerateuk.com/product/MT840714

Si

PS they are what Helen Elmore runs in.

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Originally Posted by simgreen78

Ey up Jodg,

Bit of a curveball, but I'm a huge fan of the NB MT840. Trail oriented with good cushioning but also suitable for the fells if its not too extreme. You could certainly Trunce in them for example. And I ran at Bradwell in them OK as well as taking them out on a few 16 and 17 milers around and about the Peak District. And they're only £50. I've got two pairs and they are absolutely brilliant. I like the Wave Harrier too, but my pair haven't seen the light of day since I brought the NBs home.

Heres the spec at Accelerate http://www.accelerateuk.com/product/MT840714

Si

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Flippin' 'eck. Things are getting complicated! I am due to nip into Accelerate and try some on. Ta for tip about the NB shoes, they've been suggested to me as well. There's also the Brooks Cascadia to try....

So many shoes, so little time! :confused:

I'm a "Harrier man" too, and I've got a pair of Ascends that I really like as well
they are a lot like a road shoe though, with a thick "blocky" sole, so no good for anything too technical, and the grip's no good for anything too muddy
I use them for more traily runs, especially if there's going to be a significant amount of actual road involved along the way

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Originally Posted by DazTheSlug

I'm a "Harrier man" too, and I've got a pair of Ascends that I really like as well
they are a lot like a road shoe though, with a thick "blocky" sole, so no good for anything too technical, and the grip's no good for anything too muddy
I use them for more traily runs, especially if there's going to be a significant amount of actual road involved along the way

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My thoughts exactly.

Been running in the Cassadia for most of this years Peak Fell runs and had not problems, really impressed, only down side is that I have now put big toe thro on both shoes :-(. Did find when I was running on mixture of road/trail I had blisters but in the Peak they are great. Used them for the Grindlefors Gallop as well and they were excellant. Just would like a more protective toe box, then I would not put toe thro . I also have the harrier, which I tend to use as my snow shoe and when it gets muddy. Recently invested in some vasque blur for when I want some more cushoning

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Originally Posted by DronfieldRunner

Been running in the Cassadia for most of this years Peak Fell runs and had not problems, really impressed, only down side is that I have now put big toe thro on both shoes :-(. Did find when I was running on mixture of road/trail I had blisters but in the Peak they are great. Used them for the Grindlefors Gallop as well and they were excellant. Just would like a more protective toe box, then I would not put toe thro . I also have the harrier, which I tend to use as my snow shoe and when it gets muddy. Recently invested in some vasque blur for when I want some more cushoning

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*sucks air through teeth and shakes head*

Not sure I'd fancy Wave Harriers in the snow DR, their one weakness for me is that they just cannot handle the wet. I've fallen foul on that score a few times in them. Gotta go with something a little bit more hardcore in the white stuff. Walshes, Inovs. I ran around in Mudrocs through the winter and they were very good.

I've not seen much mention of Mudrocs on the forum. Mudclaws seem popular but the Mudrocs rarely get a mention. Generally Inov8 don't suit me but my Mudrocs are the only pair out of three that I've kept hold of. For the time being ;).

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Originally Posted by DazTheSlug

I'm a "Harrier man" too, and I've got a pair of Ascends that I really like as well
they are a lot like a road shoe though, with a thick "blocky" sole, so no good for anything too technical, and the grip's no good for anything too muddy
I use them for more traily runs, especially if there's going to be a significant amount of actual road involved along the way

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I would second that re. Ascends: superb for hardpack trail / gravelly bridlepath / forest trail etc with road sections, esp. if you have long distance to cover, but too much cushioning for rougher trails and steeper terrain, when I'd put on my Kanadias.

V comfortable, great shoe to take away on holiday for instance as an all-rounder.

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"Not sure I'd fancy Wave Harriers in the snow DR, their one weakness for me is that they just cannot handle the wet.

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Used the Harrier as my "road running" shoe last year in all the snow with not problems and around the trails , must admit they are also an older red model,which seem better quality than the yellow/orange ones. Keep looking invos but never inspired, even though a lot of people use them

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Originally Posted by DronfieldRunner

Used the Harrier as my "road running" shoe last year in all the snow with not problems and around the trails , must admit they are also an older red model,which seem better quality than the yellow/orange ones. Keep looking invos but never inspired, even though a lot of people use them

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Fair enough then - I've got the orange model. Love 'em, but as I say, I've taken a few tumbles after slipping in the wet. Bit of a sore point for me as the last fall put me out of racing for seven weeks!

I have a pair of Cascadia (yellow ones), found them to be a very comfortable shoe.

The only downside I have with them is they lack a little bit of grip on the steeper, wetter stuff.

They are more of a trail shoe than fell shoe so I shouldn’t complain!

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Originally Posted by simgreen78

Ey up Jodg,

Bit of a curveball, but I'm a huge fan of the NB MT840. Trail oriented with good cushioning but also suitable for the fells if its not too extreme. You could certainly Trunce in them for example. And I ran at Bradwell in them OK as well as taking them out on a few 16 and 17 milers around and about the Peak District. And they're only £50. I've got two pairs and they are absolutely brilliant. I like the Wave Harrier too, but my pair haven't seen the light of day since I brought the NBs home.

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Are the 840's a broad or a narrow fit? I have some Harriers but find them a bit broad, I was also wanting something with more cushioning for harder trails so the 840's may fit the bill.

I've had two pairs of Wave Ascends and I think they're great trail shoes - when it's dry! I've used them in wet muddy stuff as well, but they're not great. If I ever manage to run again I'd probably look at the Adidas Kanadia which seem to have the same sort of cushioning, but better grip. Be aware though that the general consensus of the Kanadia is that they size up small.

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Originally Posted by MOUNTAIN MAN

Are the 840's a broad or a narrow fit? I have some Harriers but find them a bit broad, I was also wanting something with more cushioning for harder trails so the 840's may fit the bill.

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They only produce the 840s in the 'D' width, as NB are one of the few brands that offer different widths as well as conventional sizes in their road shoes (although I think the new 876 for trails has a width option).

I find Harriers a broad fit all the way down the shoe. The 840s are a bit more snug for most of the foot before opening out to a nice roomy toebox. Very comfortable.

I have a pair of Wave harrier size 9 1 /2 they are to long for me ,anyone out there with a size 9 in nearly new condition who are willing to swap ?

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Originally Posted by ZootHornRollo

I would second that re. Ascends: superb for hardpack trail / gravelly bridlepath / forest trail etc with road sections, esp. if you have long distance to cover, but too much cushioning for rougher trails and steeper terrain...

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Bought a pair of Wave Ascend 5's at the weekend, took 'em out for a test drive last night, an hour over hilly roads and tracks. Bloomin' marvellous! Really felt the more comfortable on the hard sections. Well chuffed with this shoe - an even better toe fit than the Wave Harrier.

Fab! :D :D :D

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Originally Posted by Datt

I have a pair of Cascadia (yellow ones), found them to be a very comfortable shoe.

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I didn't know you had a pair those M, you'll have to bring them along next time we run out, would like to take a look. :)

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Originally Posted by dominion

Be aware though that the general consensus of the Kanadia is that they size up small.

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very small - a full size in my case

cracking trail shoe though, and amazing value at £45

Just to update...

Wave Ascend 5 - cracking shoe! Worn my pair relentlessly since buying them. Amazing fit and made a BIG difference on the rocky/road sections.

:D :D :D