Joss Naylor attempt Sat 7 July

I'm planning to have a crack at the Joss Naylor Lakeland Challenge on Sat 7 July (or Sunday if weather dictates). Sub-12 hour schedule. Say 0700 start (0500 if Sunday). If weather forecast is poor both days, it won't happen.

Any offers of hill support would be very welcome. Route knowledge appreciated but not essential, although navigation on Leg 4 Sty Head - Greendale would be desirable as I might be losing the plot by then. Ability to run fairly quickly is, however, decidely necessary!

Thanks
Rob

I was going through Monica Shone's JNC email and attachments last night. She mentioned that there's a tendency for MV50 contenders do the first 2 legs too fast and grind to a halt later. It's noticeable that the Gofar timings are about 30 mins ahead of Monica's sample times to Dunmail. I eased my 1+2 schedule back to about 3 hours accordingly. Any views, anyone?

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Originally Posted by RobW

I was going through Monica Shone's JNC email and attachments last night. She mentioned that there's a tendency for MV50 contenders do the first 2 legs too fast and grind to a halt later. It's noticeable that the Gofar timings are about 30 mins ahead of Monica's sample times to Dunmail. I eased my 1+2 schedule back to about 3 hours accordingly. Any views, anyone?

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It's an interesting point, Rob. We started pretty quick (2.38 to Kirkstone), but that wasn't necessarily the reason for slowing down later - more likely a long term ankle problem, hence lack of training!
I wouldn't expect you to grind to halt over 12 hours with all your long distance experience.

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Originally Posted by GeoffB

It's an interesting point, Rob. We started pretty quick (2.38 to Kirkstone), but that wasn't necessarily the reason for slowing down later - more likely a long term ankle problem, hence lack of training!
I wouldn't expect you to grind to halt over 12 hours with all your long distance experience.

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I hope you're right Geoff! For me a slightly easier pace early on should work better, anyway.

Well, not a great forecast for Saturday (heavy rain, thundery showers, but winds should be light). It's the lightning that puts me off, somehow... Sunday is sounding a bit better, but less convenient.

What do folks think? Any advice appreciated!!

Rob

My first attempt last year was with a bad forecast, & we had to abandon, since the weather really was bad. But it was the high winds against us that stopped us, not the clag or rain. And how often do you get a bad forecast & it turns out better than that? I don't like pulling out of things if the forecast's bad, unless it it an obvious no-brainer (ice, gales as you try to start etc). The downside of that is that sometimes you fail due to the weather, but so what? It's not you that's failed, & you'll probably succeed next time. There'll be plenty of us out on the fells this weekend anyway (SLMM) so you won't be on your own!

As far as the lightning's concerned, just make sure one of your pacers is taller than you are. It's like the old joke about the bear. You don't have to outrun the bear, just the mate you're with!

Rob, good luck if you go (probably long gone by now). Thought you had given up all this running mullarky :D?

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Originally Posted by molehill

Rob, good luck if you go (probably long gone by now). Thought you had given up all this running mullarky :D?

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Yes I have - this was just an aberration ;)

Finished in 11:29

Incredible effort by just 5 pacers - Alan Lucker and Richard Davies somehow handled legs 1 and 2 between them, David Waide and Mark took the 7 hour stint from Dunmail to the finish at Greendale with Mary Gillie joining from Sty Head. Even the weather behaved - dry throughout with mostly good visibility and a tail-breeze. Coundn't have asked for better.

My account of yesterday's adventure: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/39139373/20120707_JNC_RHW.doc

Very well done Rob. A sub 12 hour Joss is no mean feat!
As you say, just about perfect conditions yesterday. We were out on a recce of the Borrowdale race route and bumped in to Cliffy with Wynnie's kitchen at Sty Head around 2pm. He said you were going like a train!

Congratulations Rob - it's a tough job to get round under 12 hours. Glad you got the weather to enjoy it!

Well done indeed Rob. A sub 12 hour JNLC is quite an acheivement. I hope you had time to enjoy yourself.

Thanks chaps.

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I hope you had time to enjoy yourself.

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Yes I did Simon. Particular highlights Thornythwaite, Fairfield and Steeple for the scenery, and obviously the finish, not just because that meant I could stop running :-)

Congrats Rob, impressive completion:thumbup:

Excellent stuff Rob - well done.

Well done Rob. Yiannis

Well done Rob, great time.

Well done indeed Rob. I would have been up for some static support but was pre-booked on some-one else's challenge a little closer to home.
Ian.

Thanks everyone.

That was a grand day out.

12h is the new 24h :wink:

Well done Rob. Haven't seen you since Leg 4 of last years BG with Bozeatrunner but you are obviously going well. I have been thinking about this myself for 2014 and thought sub 12h looked a bit tricky. The fact it took you 11.29 suggests I may have my work cut out!!!

Kevin

Hi Kevin
That was another good day out!
It's certainly brisk. In my case it was a matter of running all gentle uphills (and obviously anything level), taking descents fairly steady and ascending reasonably quickly. Others will do it slightly differently but that's the sort of pace that needs to be sustained.
Also knowing the best lines is more or less essential.
I took 22 mins breaks in total - more than many I suspect.

Meanwhile Good luck with Dragons Back!

BTW here's my schedule if anyone's interested https://dl.dropbox.com/u/39139373/20...l%20Actual.xls

Well done Rob, I am very impressed with your time. I'm having ago myself on 13th/14th July, but my time is likely to be very much slower, luckily at 67 I get 24 hours and I will need every minute.
Best wishes
Sandra

well done rob - nice to hear you're running again. :thumbup:

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Originally Posted by Full Moon Addict

well done rob - nice to hear you're running again. :thumbup:

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Well we'll see about that ;-) Thanks John!

I've added a few notes and updates to this excellent route description which I believe to have originated from Phil Hodgson
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/39139373/20...n%20PH-RHW.doc

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Well done Rob, I am very impressed with your time. I'm having ago myself on 13th/14th July, but my time is likely to be very much slower, luckily at 67 I get 24 hours and I will need every minute.

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Thanks Sandra. I hope the weather is as obliging as it turned out to be this weekend and that you have a great day.

Congratulations Rob, Superb effort. It sounds like you had a great day out. Sorry I missed it but we were cycling towards Ben nevis on Saturday. So glad for both of us that the weather stayed fine. reading your report brought back great memories for me of my JNC and meeting Jos and Mary on Greendale bridge. Well thats just the icing in the cake. see you at the dinner

Well done Rob, and good luck to others attempting theirs.
I am considering having a go this weekend. At 66 years I too have 24 hours, however being out of running due to a bad injury for the last 5 years
I will be going solo self sufficient with a small pack and mostly walking. I will also be tracking myself using my SPOT personal locator device.
I know that even if I succeed with 24 hours it won't qualify, never the less I will still enjoy the experience.
Dave.

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Originally Posted by RobW

I was going through Monica Shone's JNC email and attachments last night. She mentioned that there's a tendency for MV50 contenders do the first 2 legs too fast and grind to a halt later. It's noticeable that the Gofar timings are about 30 mins ahead of Monica's sample times to Dunmail. I eased my 1+2 schedule back to about 3 hours accordingly. Any views, anyone?

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Rob - anyone - where is Monica's schedule? I have been recceiing and notice a discrepancy in the feel of the pace, so the schedules would be useful for 12 and 15 hours..

When you register an intent to attempt the JNC she sends you a copy. Not generally available otherwise.

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Originally Posted by Bob

When you register an intent to attempt the JNC she sends you a copy. Not generally available otherwise.

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Thanks.

Trouble is, I am not really ready to register, this is a long range plan. I have been injured for several years since last knee operation, now just got back to being able to hold sub 13/ sub 14 hour pace over 4/5 hours: seemingly much faster mid route. Trouble is, every time I get back to this level another compensation injury happens - my knee does not work properly - - end up out for 3 months again. So I am reluctant to subscribe until I can hold the pace for 5/6 hours and uninjured for several months consecutive.

Don't plan to do it till next year.

But I would like to know the "right" schedule to help me see when I am getting closer..
The first section has always seemed to be too fast in relative terms all the way up to the climb up hart crag after which it seems a lot easier (to me) indeed the climbs of such as hanging knotts seem to have too much slack even allowing for slowing down over time.

So would appreciate if someone could cut and paste at least the first section splits here...if they are slower than "conventional" wisdom:

Coming to which - where do you register?

PS - well done Rob.

Register with Monica here


By email: [email protected]
By post to: Mrs Monica Shone, Swyn y Gwynt, Penmynydd, Menai Bridge, Isle of Anglesey, LL59 5RX. Please enclose an SAE

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Originally Posted by IWCharters

Register with Monica here


By email: [email protected]
By post to: Mrs Monica Shone, Swyn y Gwynt, Penmynydd, Menai Bridge, Isle of Anglesey, LL59 5RX. Please enclose an SAE

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Thanks Ian.