drug taking in sport

[CL]

Fine tremor is a well-known side effect of salbutamol. But it's not exactly performance enhancing is it?
The anabolic effects of clenbuterol are also well known.
That's why it's banned.

Slo Jo it is performance enhancing, thats why its(Salbutamol)on the banned list.

[Guick Dotto]

I suppose I'm a bit hypersensitive for two reasons: one is no one is ever likely to ask me to submit myself to a drugs test because I have no talent and am a fat get who can't be bothered to train properly, never mind the asthma; the other is I feel quite defensive on behalf of Paula because, according to her autobiography, she was conceived in my home village. So hey! leave her out of it.

[CL]

I suppose I'm a bit hypersensitive for two reasons: one is no one is ever likely to ask me to submit myself to a drugs test because I have no talent and am a fat get who can't be bothered to train properly, never mind the asthma; the other is I feel quite defensive on behalf of Paula because, according to her autobiography, she was conceived in my home village. So hey! leave her out of it.

I understand guick.But if we want to have a fair sport, we can't make her immune from judgement.Not discussing her will just build resentment, from those who think she has an unfair advantage.

Got to go bed up early C.Leigh

[Chris]

Christopher Leigh's and Mud's opinions are just annoying, unless they want to say Paula is a cheat, which they won't. Cheating is the issue.

And I love both of them.

[daz h]

with regards to cycling
drug abuse always will go on , its just not possible to compete at that level of sport , the drug manufacturers are always one step ahead


from brandy through to cocaine , amphetimes, strychnine, cortecosteroids, epo, and who knows whats next
we will probably laugh at the way we trained and nourished ourselves when we look back to 2007 in fifty years time.
cycling has reached a point of crisis, has athletics im not so sure.
but one thing is certain ,to win races you need to go quicker and there will always be an amount of competitors who will look for that extra speed illegally, its human nature

[daz h]

Christopher Leigh's and Mud's opinions are just annoying, unless they want to say Paula is a cheat, which they won't. Cheating is the issue.

And I love both of them.

you cannot in any way legally say she is cheating, she has a bloody doctors note , simple as , she can only be caught cheating if her level of that drug goes above the level set , many cyclists who are allowed subitimol have been caught this way
im sure paula is tested once every 20mins and has never failed a test , she is not doing anything wrong.
the debate i think is why there are so many asthmatics involved at high levels of running or cycling

and chris im not having a go at you

my whole problem with this debate is how can you allow a DRUG be it subitimol or even bloody nescafe vanilla latte and allow a level
it should either be banned or not
its like epo , for years the UCI and various cycling authorities have allowed cyclists to use EPO to a level
subutimol is similair

[Mud]

Mud's opinions are just annoying

Thank you.

unless they want to say Paula is a cheat, which they won't.

Well I won't say she's a cheat, 'cos she's playing by the rules. She's a bit boring though, which might be a worse sin.

I'm just musing about maybe the rules being wrong. You wait until I turn up at the annual FRA basketball match with a stepladder, arguing that I have a pre-existing medical problem with shortness of height.

[Chris]

Thank you.

I thought that would make you feel better.

[XRunner]

or even bloody nescafe vanilla latte and allow a level
it should either be banned or not

Actually caffiene was on the WADA list of banned drugs until 2004.

Alcohol is banned in some sports as set out on the WADA list.

They are - Aeronautic (FAI), Archery, (FITA, IPC), Automobile (FIA), Billiards (WCBS), Boules (IPC bowls,CMSB), Karate (WKF), Modern Pentathlon (UIPM), Motorcycling (FIM), Powerboating (UIM).

[Vince]

So in essence the die hard "no drugs" group want to see a complete ban on any potential performance enhancing drug be it whether the enhancing is the main or secondary side effect to a pre-existing medical condition which the medication is required (for arguments sake) Would this then not discriminate against those like Wheeze, Paula and several footballers who I know of, and under the discrimination act it cannot happen?
You will be calling diabetics next, because the insulin helps their metabolism.
All bona fide asthmatics I know (I know a lot of them) would not class having a potentially life saving drug like salbutamol as taking drugs, and if you start tarring Paula and others at the top level, then it will have to be carried right through sport to the grass roots. There are levels set and would say they are sensible levels. There are some drugs that are (quite rightly) Zero tolerance rated. Mistakes happen (the skier comes to mind)
I load myself with Caffeine, but am still waiting for its beneficial effects!!