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    There's a couple of issues.

    Men have been running ultra distance since the year dot.

    Women have only been running marathons for 40 odd years and it matters.

    I think also in coaching of the last 20 years or so, there's been a lot of pressure on coaches, particularly in the western world via the LTAD system, to under work young athletes.

    I was once at a North West coaches conference and our speaker advocated Year 9/10 girls train twice a week and if racing only once.
    The idea was to allow them to develop and step it up as they matured and strengthened, thereby avoiding burnout.

    I knew the coach well and his club.

    I asked how many senior women he had in training. I knew it was zero

    I can see in the next 20-30 years that women will close the gap from the 10% at endurance events from Half Marathon upwards.
    Greater exposure, better training methods to suit them, and greater numbers taking part.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Witton Park View Post
    There's a couple of issues.

    Men have been running ultra distance since the year dot.

    Women have only been running marathons for 40 odd years and it matters.

    I think also in coaching of the last 20 years or so, there's been a lot of pressure on coaches, particularly in the western world via the LTAD system, to under work young athletes.

    I was once at a North West coaches conference and our speaker advocated Year 9/10 girls train twice a week and if racing only once.
    The idea was to allow them to develop and step it up as they matured and strengthened, thereby avoiding burnout.

    I knew the coach well and his club.

    I asked how many senior women he had in training. I knew it was zero

    I can see in the next 20-30 years that women will close the gap from the 10% at endurance events from Half Marathon upwards.
    Greater exposure, better training methods to suit them, and greater numbers taking part.
    "Close the gap?" "2%,1%,0.5%, 0.1%?

    If your argument is sound the trend lines will support your view now - or not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Graham Breeze View Post
    "Close the gap?" "2%,1%,0.5%, 0.1%?

    If your argument is sound the trend lines will support your view now - or not.
    Maybe I should have said "could" close the gap rather than "will" because there are a lot of factors at play.

    But take the marathon.

    In 40 years the mens has improved from 2:08:18 Di Costello, to 2:01:09 so 5.6% improvement and over the same time the ladies has gone from 2:26:12 Joan Benoit to 2:14:04 so 8.3% improvement.

    I know it's just a random date and distance, but the gap has closed and I can see that the women could take another 5 minutes off that in the next decade, but 2 minutes would be a huge ask for the men.

    So the closing gap, could close further.

    Biggest issue though could be depth/numbers. More men running, bigger base and more quality and depth such as we see in some other sports.
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    Better performances in women's events always raises in my mind the possibility of performance enhancing drugs - they can be more effective in women because of their naturally lower testosterone levels.

    Having said that, for a long time training programs were designed around men, and as that changes I have no doubt the "gap" will narrow, but I don't think it will close.

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    Caroline Lambert (Middlesbrough AC) won Toms Bransdale Fell Race (organised by Esk Valley Fell Club) by 3 seconds last Wednesday.
    In his lifetime he suffered from unreality, as do so many Englishmen.
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    Yeh, saw that. Another one to add to a burgeoning list.

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    Caroline Lambert has been running well, and beat the likes of Sarah McCormack and Sara Willhoit at the inter-counties, so certainly of the ability to win a lot of races outright.

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    Caroline almost won a couple of weeks ago at Whorlton on the NY moors (admittedly more of a road and trail race) but she took a wrong turn late on. She was so far ahead she didn't realise no-one was following behind her!

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    https://www.racetecresults.com/resul...=20223&RId=120
    Katie Walshaw came close at Whaley Waltz

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