core strength

[scaniagirl]

Dear Mr Leigh,

I have been fairly fit in the past, and feel that I am coming on in leaps and bounds. Unfit to me was only being able to walk to work 3 days out of 4 at that point, and having trouble with reaching/pulling.

I am concerned that you have had a bad experience with physios, or are in some way out to discredit someone that has spent years training...surely a physio specialising in sport knows alot. I have no idea of your qualifications, but you seem to be some kind of personal trainer.

To be honest I didn't go to a physio to get exercise advice, I went to find out how to return my abs to their fromer selves after an op.

As for the belief, you don't seem to believe in physios, you seem to have come across salesmen posing as physios though, which I never have.

[CL]

Dear Mr Leigh,

I have been fairly fit in the past, and feel that I am coming on in leaps and bounds. Unfit to me was only being able to walk to work 3 days out of 4 at that point, and having trouble with reaching/pulling.

I am concerned that you have had a bad experience with physios, or are in some way out to discredit someone that has spent years training...surely a physio specialising in sport knows alot. I have no idea of your qualifications, but you seem to be some kind of personal trainer.

To be honest I didn't go to a physio to get exercise advice, I went to find out how to return my abs to their fromer selves after an op.

As for the belief, you don't seem to believe in physios, you seem to have come across salesmen posing as physios though, which I never have.

Scania Girl I'm just a taxi driver with no sports qualifications.

I'm not discrediting all physios, just stating a fact that most of them know nothing about worthwhile physical training.In fact nearly every personal trainer is the same.

The reason for this is the need for substantial knowledge in the areas of Maths, Physics, chemistry and human biology.Most people struggle with these subjects, hence they can't apply them to physical training.

The job of a physio is to heal injuries in the best way possible.Once recovered the work of a physio is over.To tell you how to train after isn't really their domain, although they may have a personal interest in sports training.

Regards

[Mountain Goatess]

A physiotherapist trains for 3 or 4 years covering anatomy, physiology, physics and pathology, which obviously includes maths, physics, chemistry and most certainly human biology. The job of the physio maybe to promote healing of the injury, and this is usually by means of physical exercise. This is not to become aerobically fit but the exercises are designed to strengthen the tendons, ligaments, muscles, joints, so they can function properly. I don't think they 'struggle' with these subjects especially if they are sports specific therapists!
Personal trainers do a very indepth course which is specific to the type of work they do. They are not 'all the same'!
Sports physiologists are the guys you need to speak to if you want to go into the maths, physics and chemistry of nutrition and exercise effects on the body.

Scania Girl I'm just a taxi driver with no sports qualifications.

I'm not discrediting all physios, just stating a fact that most of them know nothing about worthwhile physical training.In fact nearly every personal trainer is the same.

The reason for this is the need for substantial knowledge in the areas of Maths, Physics, chemistry and human biology.Most people struggle with these subjects, hence they can't apply them to physical training.

The job of a physio is to heal injuries in the best way possible.Once recovered the work of a physio is over.To tell you how to train after isn't really their domain, although they may have a personal interest in sports training.

Regards

[steve456]

No you haven't the resistance is the same i.e bodyweight.

Not only that but you don't produce as much power with one leg working compared to two.Less power means poorer results.

What on earth are you talking about?! Are you seriously trying to tell me that a one-legged squat is half as difficult as a normal bodyweight squat? That a one-armed press-up is twice as easy as a normal one? That you can do twenty one-armed pull-ups but only ten if you use both arms?

Power is force divided by time. If you increase the force exerted by your leg (notice I even put resistance in inverted commas because it's such a bullshit concept only relevant to those ridiculous fixed motion machines that make you big but sap your capacity for functional strength and movement) by a factor of two (by loading only one instead of two) and keep the time the same then the power is doubled. If you had twenty legs, all sharing the load then the power of each leg would be a twentieth of that if you did it on one, and you're moaning about people not understanding physics.

Anyone with a reasonable level of fitness will be able to bodyweight squat until they get bored. Not many people can do a bodyweight squat on one leg (pistol style), let alone keep cranking them out until the cows come home.

[CL]

A physiotherapist trains for 3 or 4 years covering anatomy, physiology, physics and pathology, which obviously includes maths, physics, chemistry and most certainly human biology. The job of the physio maybe to promote healing of the injury, and this is usually by means of physical exercise. This is not to become aerobically fit but the exercises are designed to strengthen the tendons, ligaments, muscles, joints, so they can function properly. I don't think they 'struggle' with these subjects especially if they are sports specific therapists!
Personal trainers do a very indepth course which is specific to the type of work they do. They are not 'all the same'!
Sports physiologists are the guys you need to speak to if you want to go into the maths, physics and chemistry of nutrition and exercise effects on the body.

A lot of children spend 11 years at school and still can't read,write or do simple sums.So just because they spend 3-4 years at uni doesn't mean they've grasped principles.

I agree with the rest of what you say.

Regards

[CL]

[QUOTE=steve456;120134]What on earth are you talking about?! Are you seriously trying to tell me that a one-legged squat is half as difficult as a normal bodyweight squat? That a one-armed press-up is twice as easy as a normal one? That you can do twenty one-armed pull-ups but only ten if you use both arms?[quote]

Hello Steve.I never said a one-legged squat was half as difficult as a two-legged squat.I was referring to power and resistance.You brought the concept of 'difficulty' into it.

[CL]

Power is force divided by time. If you increase the force exerted by your leg (notice I even put resistance in inverted commas because it's such a bullshit concept only relevant to those ridiculous fixed motion machines that make you big but sap your capacity for functional strength and movement) by a factor of two (by loading only one instead of two) and keep the time the same then the power is doubled. If you had twenty legs, all sharing the load then the power of each leg would be a twentieth of that if you did it on one, and you're moaning about people not understanding physics.
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Steve you've based the above on an error.Power is not 'force divided by time.' It's energy divided by time.This mistake has invalidated everything else you say!

[CL]

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Anyone with a reasonable level of fitness will be able to bodyweight squat until they get bored. Not many people can do a bodyweight squat on one leg (pistol style), let alone keep cranking them out until the cows come home.[/QUOTE]

Steve I was the guinness record holder for squats in an hour(2706).I've still got the certificate.

I'll tell you now, that most athletes couldn't last 5 minutes of fast paced, full, free standing squats.

[steve456]

Balls. That'll be me failing...

...Although force is still proportional to energy and you are travelling the same distance too (but I'm still wrong).

2706/hour is a lot of squats very quickly. As such a bodyweight maestro (and I'm honestly in awe and not being sarcastic) I'm quite surprised you encourage resistance machines over free-weights, they seem to be generally regarded as the biggest evil of commercial gyms by the genuinely fit.

Apologies. Steve

[Chugger]

[quote=christopher leigh;120107]Scania Girl I'm just a taxi driver with no sports qualifications.


I think that I'd rather look at scientifically based practice regarding core stability from practitioners who can do their jobs (of rehabilitating elite level athletes) AND drive a car.
See papers in respected journals by C.A. Richardson, J.A. Hides, P.W Hodges, E. Ramussen-Barr and the Fellrunner article by Denise Parks...she does know her stuff, as we all have to, in order to justify our existence to NICE, these days.

Keep up with your own training methods, with pleasure, they may well work for you. But try not to use your "singlecase study (of yourself) method" to convince everyone.
Look at the science in a more openminded way than you appear to want to in your posts. (Or, if you are just taking the pi$$ then do so without belittling other peoples experiences.)
Thanks.