Quote Originally Posted by christopher leigh View Post
Welcome to the thread Trimm.

Politics is not a primary, it's dependent on ethics(moral code).Ethics is dependent on philosophy(i.e a view of Mans nature).If a Man believes that humans are intrinsically evil, he will naturally support a political system that controls and regulates human behaviour.

The truth is, that Man by his nature is neither good or evil.This is because his consciousness is volitional(i.e choice).

I believe that given freedom (Freedom in a political context means-freedom from the initiation of physical force) Humans will pursue the right course.They will make mistakes on the way, but in the long term they'll succeed.This is because the capitalist system, punishes irrationality and evil.

We need to introduce a bill of rights, to protect the individual from the most dangerous criminal-the Government.(Today we hear all sorts of groups claiming all sorts of rightsisabled rights,gay rights,Women's rights,racial rights,the right to free medical care,education etc).(Actually no such group rights exist.Only the rights of the individual exist).

Before we introduce the bill of rights, we'd have to start deregulating the economy.Next, reduce all social security payments month by month, very gradually.At the same time taxes should be lowered at the same rate as social payments.This together with deregulation will stimulate business activity and capital investment.New jobs will be created, not just by the indigenous business community, but by foreign investors, anticipating the bill of rights.

Once the constitution is in place, all property will be private.If you want medical care or education for your children, go onto the open market and compete for them, just as the doctors and teachers will compete for your business.

As I consider the initiation of physical force immoral, all taxes would be voluntary and only paid for proper government services.These services are the Police(selfdefence from criminals), the military(selfdefence from foreign threats) and the law courts(so people who disagree can settle their disputes peacefully).

People would be willing to finance these institutions voluntarily, because they would affect their interests directly.
Christopher Leigh have you been watching "City of Vice" which concerns the foundation of England's first police force, The Bow Street Runners, in the eighteenth century. Your vision of a free society seems to fairly describe conditions in the country at that time. Rich men gave voluntarily in order to protect themselves from gangs of footpads who terrorised the community. The Sun Insurance symbols you sometimes see on the outside of old buildings similarly were there to indicate to private fire brigades which fires they should put out and which people were subscribers and therefore entitled to be rescued.
It didn't take long for a majority of the rich, who are people and therefore( I agree with you) capable of moral choice, to start thinking that these services should be available to the rest. Gradually the services evolved and eventually became in its various and changing forms a welfare state. The state is just another club (like the FRA) formed by free people for their mutual benefit. What's difficult about that?
If you want to go back to turnpikes and private militias you're going to have to use force because not many people are going to agree with you. Come to think of it somebody did try that in America, remember the Oklahoma bombing of a civic building devoted to welfare? Yeah come to think of it there are quite a few nutters over there who equate freedom with gun possession and not paying taxes. Do you realise who you're lining yourself up with? Scary!
I don't want to be fingerprinted and I'd rather keep the colour of my irises secret. I think government has got rather too much interest in my private business and I don't expect them to make quite as many cock ups as they have recently. But no government? No order? As I've said before I'm a teacher and in my experience when the adults move out the bullies move in.
You come over as if you speak from some sort of philosophical high ground but to me almost all of what you say sounds like a teenager who's just discovered argument.