Tonight's football thread

[Muddy Retriever]

Depressing incident all round. Personally I'd be 'happy' to see Leeds docked three points. Then ever after the bench mark is set. Any club causing any trouble at grounds...points docked. Both teams offend, both teams docked. Trouble makers caught...heavy fine and jail (...I know fines are often not paid, or paid at two bob a month so if the can't pay jail them!). I'm totally sick of my clubs name being dragged thro' the clart by mindless morons and thugs. It is a minority to a degree, but it wasn't a minority singing the Savile song or abusing Dave Jones, who always seems a genuinely decent bloke to me! Its not the worst I've seen, and it happened to us at Carlisle but it just needs stamping on.

It was like a return to the bad old days on Friday for our club and it reminded me how I used to feel in the 80's when Leeds fans were regularly involved in trouble. Deep shame and embarrassment.

I think the issue of offensive chanting needs to be tackled. It's been happening for donkeys years but because it's not racist chanting it's been allowed to carry on pretty much unchecked. I used to cringe with embarrassment when so called Leeds fans sang the "Munich" song. I could understand why Dave Jones was so upset in his post match interview with the chants aimed at him, but as he said himself he has had to take it for 12 years, so the issue is much wider than Leeds. I also hope that in retrospect he is also able to reflect that the taunting by Sheffield Wednesday supporters about the two fans murdered in Turkey was every bit as vile.

If points deductions are what it takes to stamp this sort of thing out then so bit it but it needs to be applied consistently. You mentioned the incident at Carlisle a few years ago when their fans invaded the pitch at the end and attacked Leeds players. Correct me if I'm wrong but I seem to remember Carlisle escaping without punishment.