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    alwaysinjured
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alan View Post
    I agree. Always Injured does have some very good points, and I'm sure that these are being listened to. but using words such as pathogenic is spoiling what is a very useful argument.

    It isn't easy creating guidelines which will satisfy all requirements in matters such as this, and I know that there is a lot of hard work going on in the background, so please contribute constructively and try to avoid winding people up. (Difficult on a forum, I know!)
    The point I am trying to make (perhaps badly) is there must have been 100 occurrences of the word "MUST" implying that an overriding mindset is the need to "lay down the law". I have never seen a document quite so agressive and opressive in tone.

    Proper safety documentation is NEVER like that.
    It imposes duties to consider "suitable and sufficient" means to reduce risks in as far as is "reasonably practicable" and stresses duties to "supervise and train". It does not mandate (ever since the factories acts) because in the real world mandates can never foresee the huge variety of circumstances. Guidance notes are just that - they suggest how things could be done, or sometimes should be done unless reasons otherwise, recognising they can rarely mandate safely.

    I have however pointed out many times - that whilst we have had "hypothermic" problems, we have yet to have had the inevitable "catastrophic injury" on a course hazard. It is only a matter of time. Simple what if games on langdale and anni waltz show that it is errant nonsense to imply that courses are warranted in any degree free of or limited risk: quite the reverse.

    So you can only conclude one of two things.
    (a) the what if games are not being done
    (b) the outcome is not being treated seriously enough

    So why - despite repeated requests - is the nonsense about courses still in the rules? The essential duty is to highlight the hazards, not to dump an RO with job of trying to warrant them as less than dangerous

    Also Take the mandate to return directly to RaceHQ as withdrawal , and the RO is responsible for your safety whilst you do that.
    No what if game can have been played on that.
    If I am hypothermic and or injured, I WILL go to the nearest place I think is safe and or I hope to find assistance, before contacting/going to race HQ. And in doing it I just broke the rules! And I do not care how well meaning a volunteer was in drafting it, I will argue progressively more agressively until the rule is changed to common sense!

    I have recieved rather more abuse here, than I have ever been responsible for!
    Last edited by alwaysinjured; 30-10-2013 at 11:22 AM.

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