That's true about the Todger and Totley Moor - they don't compare to the Tigger Tor or Extorminator.

Todger starts from rugby club again and the route is something along the lines of through the limb valley up to Lady Canning's Plantation, poke out of the forest somewhere around oxstones, up to oxstones trig and then a plunge down to home (i think via Long Line, which i guess is a bit dull).

Not much hard core fell, but good fun for a mid week summer run though.