Quote Originally Posted by Margarine View Post
Well I know of at least two that are Daz . Geoff you are right they were Tories. I'll tell Grouse to get his facts right. It's a bit difficult to tell them apart these days. I'm not sure I follow all the arguments. The giants are certainly in control, but I don't know about prices going up - lots of things are artificially cheap or even subsidised by income from other sources. I think this is to keep the consumerist wheels greased and maintain the flow of cash upwards. Petrol is far too cheap. We are not quite as bonkers as the Americans who have used all their oil and are now trying to suck dry the rest of the world's reserves. I do not believe that the true environmental and social costs of car use is met by petrol tax and road tax. Food is cheap because it is crap, and easily produced - even at low prices it has a massive mark up for the 'giants'. There are certainly abuses of the benefits system, and I object to many more of the things that my taxes are used for, but as far as I'm concerned it would be very easy to slip into the sloppy thinking Daily Mail bigot mentality that so many people seem to find so comfortable. If that happens, the giants win.


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good point at the end, one of my prime concerns is and always will be for our children.
i dont follow the same rule of thought that petrol and food is that cheap though. Yes for established people on the ladder they are affordable but for our youngsters coming through the system they are not , this will be a problem and will lead to them not buying that car, house, fridge, new fell shoes god forbid, thus in turn not putting down roots so to speak. How many of you on a regular basis think how the hell are our children going to buy a house???
perhaps im being a bit outspoken as usual for the forum, if so say.