CL, the reason I think your argument is circular is because you only rely on the fact that runners are fast therefore that they take drugs. They take drugs therefore they are fast.

Aouita may have been clean but he was a lesser runner than Rono.

Coe's record over 800 metres stood for 20 odd years befor Kipketer beat it by fractions.

To be honest I don't really care because I myself have lost a fair bit of interest in mainstream athletics due to drug issues - I refuse to argue the point as to whether I am more dangerously naive than you are. What I do take issue with is you trashing everything on here with your agenda.

My opinion is that we are rubbish as a nation because we buy into a victim mentality.

It is a fellrunning forum. As far as I know Jebbie doesn't buy into the mediocrity - but you trashed my suggestion that people should train that way, suggesting that people would die from it!

Those of us who never ran as hard as we could will never know that we just weren't very good at it.