I may get an appointment and ask for some outright, i will send my mate denzil if need be, he is getting toward OAP status!
I may get an appointment and ask for some outright, i will send my mate denzil if need be, he is getting toward OAP status!
"Fortunately" it is only available on prescription, VERY toxic in overdose (easy to acheive for a muddled up elderly patient). Entertaining list of side effects, including those particularly of interest to athletes: cardiac arrhythmias and hypoglycaemia. I've no idea what sort of dose you can give yourself by drinking tonic water and whether you could induce more risk by then dehydrating yourself or stressing your cardiac muscle. If you really have drunk enough to get a muscle effect rather than the 60% placebo effect just about anything will achieve, then perhaps you're at risk??? Any pharmacologists out there?Originally Posted by martin hall
Hi Andy here from Hammer http://www.hammernutritionuk.co.uk/
this is an extract from an article i have on my website, it is a little long and please excuse the Americanism's.... Here goes
. Remember to replenish electrolytes during exercise.
You can get your energy fuels (“gasoline”) dialed in right, but if you neglect the electrolytes (“oil”), the dash light comes on-except your body doesn't have a dash light. Instead, you get cramps, spasms, muscle revolt, irregular and rapid heartbeat, and major bonk. Don't wait for the light to come on; those are the final symptoms of increasing impairment. If you don't respond well before your body's oil light comes on, you can pretty much kiss optimal performance, and probably the whole race, goodbye.
Don't rely on salt tablets to fulfill electrolyte requirements.
* “Electrolyte replenishment” does not mean “sodium or salt replenishment.” Sodium chloride (a.k.a. “salt”) is indeed an important component of electrolyte replenishment but it does not fulfill the entire requirements. Calcium, magnesium, and potassium should be replenished as well as all these minerals play key roles in the maintenance of many important body functions.
* Most of us obtain more than enough salt from our daily diet and most athletes have a reservoir of upwards of 8,000 – 10,000 mg stored in body tissues. In other words, when you start your race you’ll most likely be doing so with a huge reserve of sodium chloride “on board.”
* Keep in mind that “too much” can have as many performance inhibiting-to-ruining consequences as “not enough.” Over the years we have observed that far too many athletes “over salt” their bodies during exercise, with a variety of maladies such as bloating, water retention (edema-like symptoms), and stomach distress being the usual and undesirable outcome.
When it comes to sodium/salt replenishment the key is to provide an appropriate dose to support the maintenance of normal body functions without overwhelming the body with too much, which will override and neutralize those mechanisms.
How much salt is enough? Electrolyte depletion is widely variable—you can't rely on a “one-size fits all” bottled drink or drink mix. You need to experiment and find your own range for any given weather condition and duration of exercise. That being said, 200-400 mg of sodium chloride (salt) per hour, as part of a full spectrum electrolyte replenishment product, is a good starting point for most athletes under most conditions. That’s the amount you’ll receive in 2-4 capsules of Endurolytes(this is a Hammer Product). Certainly there will be occasions when 100-200 mg of salt (1-2 Endurolytes) will be completely adequate; on hot-weather workouts or races, it may be necessary to consume 500-600 mg/hour (5-6 Endurolytes).
for the full article go to or visit 'endurolyte product on my website'
http://www.hammernutritionuk.co.uk/f...o_improve.html
hope this is of some use
Andy
High peak 40/cramp
Struggled round this on saturday- got cramp loads- hydrated well and kept chucking back the electrolytes- perhaps it was the preponderance of tarmac. I know this is a reccurring theme on the forum but what strategies do people use to stop getting cramp?
sometimes i'm fine and other times its a real pain. It really scuppered my race and forced me into survival mode this time! any shared knowledge appreciated
Nuun tablets seem to do the trickStruggled round this on saturday- got cramp loads- hydrated well and kept chucking back the electrolytes- perhaps it was the preponderance of tarmac. I know this is a reccurring theme on the forum but what strategies do people use to stop getting cramp?
sometimes i'm fine and other times its a real pain. It really scuppered my race and forced me into survival mode this time! any shared knowledge appreciated
I seem to be getting more than my fair share of cramp lately. Does anyone know the latest on cause/cure? Is there a quick fix?
Electolytes... favourite seems to be Nuun
tonic water is also good
Lack of hill work
Nuun tablets
I use nuun for mountain marathons - I still get cramp at the over night camps and have had quite nasty headaches after these too.
Nuun is a bit expensive for daily use. Is there a natural source of electrolytes?
You can make do just with salt & water (pref. sea salt which has a mix of minerals)... I don't know the ratios so you'll have to look it up ( you DO NOT want it too salty!).I use nuun for mountain marathons - I still get cramp at the over night camps and have had quite nasty headaches after these too.
Nuun is a bit expensive for daily use. Is there a natural source of electrolytes?
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