Daz, probably a lot of sense in that as but if you're like me then you just want to overtake people. I know I have to take people on the ups cos I'm crap at coming down so I push harder, which in turns means dead legs to descend with. If I had the sense to hold back a bit on the up as you suggest then I might descend better. Trouble is whenever a race comes, common sense goes out the window !!