Makes you proud to be British

[Multiterrainer]

Powerful words passionately expressed GD

Does anyone know if it's true that Nick Griffin has two rottweilers named Anne and Frank as was claimed by someone quoting the Sunday Times this morning on the Andrew Marr show? If it is I suspect it might give some clues as to the man's thought process

According to the profile here yes it is true http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle6493540.ece

[southernsoftie]

I believe in democracy. I believe that Evil is a reality. I believe it will never go away as long as humans walk the earth. I believe that the BNP is a manifestation of that evil. Democrats must denounce the BNP with all vigour. If the fascists have a right to speak in our democracy then they must accept the consequence that all right thinking people will heap opprobrium on them. If they express their anti-democratic views freely they must be prepared to hear a rebuttal that is a thousand times stronger because they are outnumbered to that extent. You CL should be using all your debating skills to damn them and damn them again. The BNP must lose this argument before it takes root and begins to germinate in the minds of the gullible and fools.
Let them speak but then let them be damned!

And there this thread should end. I don't think anyone could put it any better than that.

Though obviously it hasn't. And no doubt it will still cause more ructions before it finally runs out of steam.

[CL]

I believe in democracy. I believe that Evil is a reality. I believe it will never go away as long as humans walk the earth. I believe that the BNP is a manifestation of that evil. Democrats must denounce the BNP with all vigour. If the fascists have a right to speak in our democracy then they must accept the consequence that all right thinking people will heap opprobrium on them. If they express their anti-democratic views freely they must be prepared to hear a rebuttal that is a thousand times stronger because they are outnumbered to that extent. You CL should be using all your debating skills to damn them and damn them again. The BNP must lose this argument before it takes root and begins to germinate in the minds of the gullible and fools.
Let them speak but then let them be damned!

If you support democracy as it exists today, then you support discrimination. You cannot honestly say "I'm opposed to discrimination in racial matters, but support discrimination in other areas." To do so is to hold a double standard, one that leaves you defeated in any intellectual exchange.

Let me explain: People don't seem to have grasped explicitly that democracy is a system of benefits and sacrifices. If it wasn't, the government wouldn't steal from one Man and give to another. So they(the voters) play the game by voting for the party who'll either give them the most benefits, or who'll sacrifice them the least.

So we reach the position we're at today, with the Labour government discriminating against certain groups to buy votes. Those groups realising their heads are on the sacrificial block, want to protect themselves from this discrimination and search for a political party that'll stand up for them. Today that party is the BNP.

Now it's all very well you mentioning the fear YOU feel, because you don't want to be discriminated against on racial grounds, but millions of brits have already realised this fear in other areas, and are sick of it. It's all very well Nicklas saying I don't feel discrimated against. The fact is millions do, and they see it every day in their work.

I don't support this system of benefits and sacrifices(democracy). So I hold all the parties with almost the same contempt.

[Guick Dotto]

You sound like a god mate.

[CL]

You sound like a god mate.

Particularly when I sing in the bath.

[Penguin]

If you support democracy as it exists today, then you support discrimination. You cannot honestly say "I'm opposed to discrimination in racial matters, but support discrimination in other areas." To do so is to hold a double standard, one that leaves you defeated in any intellectual exchange.

Let me explain: People don't seem to have grasped explicitly that democracy is a system of benefits and sacrifices. If it wasn't, the government wouldn't steal from one Man and give to another. So they(the voters) play the game by voting for the party who'll either give them the most benefits, or who'll sacrifice them the least.

So we reach the position we're at today, with the Labour government discriminating against certain groups to buy votes. Those groups realising their heads are on the sacrificial block, want to protect themselves from this discrimination and search for a political party that'll stand up for them. Today that party is the BNP.

Now it's all very well you mentioning the fear YOU feel, because you don't want to be discriminated against on racial grounds, but millions of brits have already realised this fear in other areas, and are sick of it. It's all very well Nicklas saying I don't feel discrimated against. The fact is millions do, and they see it every day in their work.

I don't support this system of benefits and sacrifices(democracy). So I hold all the parties with almost the same contempt.

so you don't vote then???

[stevefoster]

Particularly when I sing in the bath.

God help us

[Notlob till i die]

Surely the way forward is for this rabble to muster the courage to call a general election and at least place in power a government that reflects the current view of the electorate and will not be making a calculation at every announcement as to how the opinion polls will be affected.

It's just a pity that Thatcher didn't do this before the Falklands War dropped into her lap. I am old enough to remember the rumours that intelligence was fully aware of Argentinian plans to invade the Falklands .... which would lead to the question, why didn't Thatcher act on that intelligence.

Or we could cite the Poll Tax, another of Thatcher's and your lots marvellous ideas, if it was so good why didn't she have the courage of her conviction to go to the electorate with her marvellous idea ?

By the way, if I was Lord Healey I wouldn't just hug her .... "The Prime Minister who glories in slaughter"

[Notlob till i die]

GD _ I don't think you have anything to worry about. The small number of voters who actually put their cross next to BNP will get wiped out at a general election.

Purport - "have the often specious appearance of being, intending, or claiming"
That does accurately describe the approach of "New" Labour to freedom, justice and greater opportunities.

You are right not to be frightened of people like Tebbit and Benn - quality politicians with differing views. Genuine - where have they all gone?

Might I suggest Dennis Skinner, who Margaret Thatcher once called a "marvellous parliamentarian". Unfortunately I cannot name any current Tory MP's who might fal into this category, but then again you'd hardly expect me to do so ....

[dominion]

It's just a pity that Thatcher didn't do this before the Falklands War dropped into her lap. I am old enough to remember the rumours that intelligence was fully aware of Argentinian plans to invade the Falklands .... which would lead to the question, why didn't Thatcher act on that intelligence.

Or we could cite the Poll Tax, another of Thatcher's and your lots marvellous ideas, if it was so good why didn't she have the courage of her conviction to go to the electorate with her marvellous idea ?

By the way, if I was Lord Healey I wouldn't just hug her .... "The Prime Minister who glories in slaughter"

Poll tax was a fantastic idea. Everyone pays an equal amount for equal services. What's the problem with that?