Wasdale

[RichT]

Thanks Steve. I can look at my photo when I start to forget the pain. At least you didn;t take a picture of me writhing around with cramp shortly after my photographer induced increase in speed ;-)

[IainR]

At least you didn;t take a picture of me writhing around with cramp shortly after my photographer induced increase in speed ;-)

Did you do the same? I managed to get a run going just for him..that was about the only section of the last 3rd I ran..another 30 photographers and I may have taken 30 minutes off my time..

[daz h]

TR,

No worries.

Your original posting made a general comparison betwen Peris and Wasdale: not your personal experience of two specific races. And if you remember the furore after the last time Wasdale was a Champ race-it had one of the highest DNFs ever recorded in a fell race- when conditions were horrendous, I suggest Wasdale remains supremely tough. Not just the length/height/terrain but the cut-off times.

It was because of the outcry that the cut offs were increased by up to 15 minutes (which is a lot) from 4 years ago.

Some of the giants of fellrunning just cannot hack Wasdale and in my opinion of the regular races it is the toughest.

But I recognise that someone starting, say, the Welsh 1000 metres this year from a personal point of view may have a different view which is why I like to look at record times because I think this a valid criterion.

Graham

This in my view is correct
I think the Wasdale race commands the upmost respect.
For someone who has yet to race it but has done the route I wouldnt even attempt the race If I wasnt at my best. When I do it next year I will make comment but id be surprised if it wont be the hardest thing ive done. To race that distance over that terrain at a good pace must be hard.

[IainR]

which is why I like to look at record times because I think this a valid criterion.

Graham

Stuc a Chroin - record 1:59..
Brecon Beacons - record 2:28..

Snowdon - record 1:02..
Moelwyns - record 1:17..

Mourne Peaks - record 2:10..
Black Mountains - record 2:16..

Peris - record 3:02
1000m Peaks record 3:27

And there's many more. In all those cases I personally find the races of shorter duration to be the tougher races.

[RichT]

Did you do the same? I managed to get a run going just for him..that was about the only section of the last 3rd I ran..another 30 photographers and I may have taken 30 minutes off my time..

Seems we're equally proud and stupid Iain. Your quick trot out on Friday morning can't have helped you. I ran too fast/far on Thursday and didn't manage to eat or drink enough Thursday or Friday. I think that's why I ended up with cramp. I'm still 4lbs lighter than I was a week ago!

[LM]

Who needs the the tele when there's awesome video footage (plus stirring soundtrack) of a Lakeland classic.

Sorry to see you didn't finish Mrs Stagger - anything in particular go wrong - I say this as one who was timed out at my, so far, 1 & only attempt at a Lakeland long (Borrowdale).

Hi Manhar

How's the achilles? Hope to see you running soon.

It was nothing in particular just didn't have enough long runs in my legs and thought I could wing it but as someone said earlier, you can't wing it at Wasdale! It's very disappointing when you're timed out but there was a sense of relief too as I probably wouldn't have got to Great Gable in time, then it's about 2 hours to get back after that.

[Bad Magners]

Anybody interested in these ?

[TurboTom]

Brill
IainR had a good run and some valuable points

[jodg]

I think the magnitude of the race is reflected in the list of DNFs, almost 50. Some v. good runners included. Wow.

[TurboTom]

Tom Brunt and Jackie Lee notably