Makes you proud to be British

[TheHeathens]

I know what they have to aim for a better life....its obvious. All these schemes by the government to try and get working class kids as doctors, vets etc...im quite envious because im just not clever enough but hey ho shit happens. However there are those who are content with simple lives relying on benefits and unfortuantely they all go to certain schools and bring their standards and thos of other students down

Tom, I have a lot of friends who are doctors (and married to one!). If that's what you aspire to be then go for it! Most of the doctors I know aren't overly intelligent; they're clever but not excessively so. What they all have however is drive and commitment - that's the important thing.

[CL]

Don't want grammar schools / secondary modern (albeit daughter in private school!!) but want all pupils to be able to achieve to the best of their abilities. The best achieving school I ever worked at had pupils going on to be vets (ie 3As at A-level) but also pupils studying for apprenticeships in building at local college, it used to be possible and done.

There is no reason why all pupils shouldn't be treated equally. I didn't even take 11+ as didn't want to go to local grammar school. I don't believe in grammar schools, don't like private but think all should be able to do the best they can. Local secondary is poor, so sent daughter private. Yes, I know I'm lining myself up to be accused of hypocrisy but it's my daughter!!!

I find posts like the above very disturbing. It's akin to the animal 'commodity argument' used by Longdogs on another thread. What bothers me is the blatant hypocrisy paraded as moral virtue, by people not lacking in intellect. Perhaps this is the result of modern education. A kind of 'have your cake and eat it' mentality.

One thing is certain, it is the dominant trait amongst Brits.

[noel]

Don't want grammar schools / secondary modern (albeit daughter in private school!!) but want all pupils to be able to achieve to the best of their abilities. The best achieving school I ever worked at had pupils going on to be vets (ie 3As at A-level) but also pupils studying for apprenticeships in building at local college, it used to be possible and done.

There is no reason why all pupils shouldn't be treated equally. I didn't even take 11+ as didn't want to go to local grammar school. I don't believe in grammar schools, don't like private but think all should be able to do the best they can. Local secondary is poor, so sent daughter private. Yes, I know I'm lining myself up to be accused of hypocrisy but it's my daughter!!!

I find posts like the above very disturbing. It's akin to the animal 'commodity' argument' used by Longdogs on another thread. What bothers me is the blatant hypocrisy paraded as moral virtue, by people not lacking in intellect. Perhaps this is the result of modern education. A kind of 'have your cake and eat it' mentality.

One thing is certain, it is the dominant trait amongst Brits.

Are you saying that Biara shouldn't send his daughter to a private school because he's against them?

If that's what you're saying, I agree it is a level of hypocrisy, since Biara is now part of the problem (sorry Biara). However, I think it's what most people would do if the local comprehensive school were no good. Your duty to give your kids the best chance in life is more important than your ideas about what should happen in an ideal world.

I agree that correctly prioritising and not hindering someone's chances in society is a result of education - long may it last.

[TurboTom]

Ah Biara is a bloke....thats where ive been mistaken all along

[stevefoster]

Ah Biara is a bloke....thats where ive been mistaken all along

Mixing up men and women
Good job you don't drink Tom

[TurboTom]

Mixing up men and women
Good job you don't drink Tom

dunno why but now i know who he is for deffo.....dunno biara sounds womanly

PLEASE dont take offence you know what im like

[biara]

dunno why but now i know who he is for deffo.....dunno biara sounds womanly

Biara is the name of the school I used to teach at in Eritrea. The word actually means river in the Tigrinyan language.

[TurboTom]

Biara is the name of the school I used to teach at in Eritrea. The word actually means river in the Tigrinyan language.

Wow Eritrea...thats in Western Africa isnt it or am i completely wrong and it is in Asia?

[stevefoster]

PLEASE dont take offence you know what im like

Aye, i know what your like, a good lad
That many idiots around these days, makes me proud to call a young un like you a mate

[TurboTom]

Aye, i know what your like, a good lad
That many idiots around these days, makes me proud to call a young un like you a mate

Cheers.....leg 4 mezza