Grouse Is Julian any better? he looked abit washed out.
Grouse Is Julian any better? he looked abit washed out.
My magic tea helped him!Originally Posted by IanDarkpeak
Can you bring some to the Haworth Hobble please!
I intend on finishing that oneCan you bring some to the Haworth Hobble please!
As MB said above, we all make mistakes. It was a fairly low speed impact but the chap in the other car was NOT wearing his belt, now that is a mistake. He broke his leg. For SRF life carries on, he is now in Finland doing his usual thing, speaking.
Yiannis
Can't understand the leave him alone business, if he hadn't have been a fellow competitor you would have been very critical of his actions. There have been all sorts of measures put into place to stop people driving whilst tired from Tachos for long distance lorry drivers to huge signs on the motorways telling us tiredness kills. As far as I am concerned it seems that SRF was driving whilst unfit, other people were injured (INJURED) because of this and he of all people should have had an excuse for not making the journey. So less of this namby pamby attitude of leave him alone, if we appled that to everyone it would be chaos. We have to accept our responsibilities and no one I repeat no one is above that!!!!! Sir or no sir
I don't know whether you took part in the HPM or not but there must have been a couple of hundred walkers/runners at Edale on Saturday and most of us got there by car. Perhaps we should have all stayed at Edale (assuming there is enough accomodation for everyone) and travelled home on Sunday, completely refreshed and with a zero (?) chance of having an accident.Can't understand the leave him alone business, if he hadn't have been a fellow competitor you would have been very critical of his actions. There have been all sorts of measures put into place to stop people driving whilst tired from Tachos for long distance lorry drivers to huge signs on the motorways telling us tiredness kills. As far as I am concerned it seems that SRF was driving whilst unfit, other people were injured (INJURED) because of this and he of all people should have had an excuse for not making the journey. So less of this namby pamby attitude of leave him alone, if we appled that to everyone it would be chaos. We have to accept our responsibilities and no one I repeat no one is above that!!!!! Sir or no sir
ydt
Not wearing a seat belt is indeed a mistake, though not directly threatening to others. However, I'm not sure wearing one would have saved the chap's leg. It's like when I hurt my knee falling off my bike and people kept asking me if I had been wearing a helmet.
Leaving individuals out of this, it will be enormously inconvenient and limiting, but zero tolerance for driving home after exhausting days and nights out is almost here. Not long ago drink-driving and obliging others to breathe one's smoke were quite acceptable; before that, wife-beating was OK.
I have many a time driven home from a weekend in the Lakes with my eyelids closing. It was a nightmare at the time, but it was just what people did. Now I look back and shudder at what could so easily have happened.
Of course you are right. We shouldn't drive unfit. But who here hasn't?
That's why I think the comment let him without sin cast the first stone is apt. In fact I can only think of a few runners I know, I think one has posted on here, who only use public transport, so they are probably the ones above reproach on this matter.
Almost of all of us will have driven tired, after late runs, long runs, night pacing on rounds.
Basically its just a salutary lesson and not a time to point the finger. Because 99.9% of us would be hypocrits to do so.
But yes I think you are right, if a climber drove 10 hrs London to Scotland, bagged 4 great ice routes, then drove 10 hrs home, he'd be considered a bit of a hero. Had a guy driven pissed he'd be considered a muppet, yet both would have the same reaction times.
If a recreational event cannot take place because people can only take part by risking other people's lives, so it goes! It used to be argued that England would be ruined if small children were stopped from working 12 hours a day in mines and mills.
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