eavesy, i work for the NHS in specialist psychotherapy services, we see people that no one else wants to or can, flopsy is right this is all getting out of hand and lossing its focus, its far to a complex issue to debate in a forum such as this, i hope stagger is able to find the help he needs, which in my opinion is someone to talk to, in do the job i do as i know it works from personal experience.