Open access only applies to you personaly, it does not apply to organised events where a fee is taken. permission to cross access land is required and can be refused on various gounds inc erosion, shooting, wildlife etc.Originally Posted by alfa_scud
JohnK I'm sure would be able to confirm/clarify this.
You can sort of get round it by not taking a fee and saying it is a social run with in a group. I don't think the PPP comes under social run
I think they (the national park authority presumably) were worried that the racing line trod to one side of the main path, almost entirely created by the 3P race itself, was very likely to become another main path if they didn't do something. What they did was erect a small blocking gate just below the first stile and pin up a polite request that walkers keep to the main track. Further down where the fast line can also be accessed from the main path they tried to block the path with a couple of boulders too. I think it does stop most walkers and the trod last time I <whispers> went down it is now quite fine and relatively unused. The 3P was flagged there I believe last year. (I'm not talking about the very first short cut off the top of Whernside by the way; thats virtually invisible from view from the top ridge and not many runners use it as far as I know).Open access only applies to you personaly, it does not apply to organised events where a fee is taken. permission to cross access land is required and can be refused on various gounds inc erosion, shooting, wildlife etc.
JohnK I'm sure would be able to confirm/clarify this.
You can sort of get round it by not taking a fee and saying it is a social run with in a group. I don't think the PPP comes under social run
Well I ran round today, although not nearly as stylishly as I would have hoped for. It was -7 degrees in Horton when I started and the ground was rock hard pretty much all the way round with frost. Never the less I was sweating cobbs going up the side of Whernside and I (foolishly as it happens) took off my sweat filled golves, hat and outer layer. Of course after Chapel le Dale, the north west side of Ingleborough was totally in the shade and, by the time I got to the top, I was frozen solid. And I seemed to get colder and colder from that point on. That said I made it back alive
I don't know if it was you Geronimo but I passed a group of three (I thought walkers) just after the farm at Chapel le Dale but, as I went up Ingleborough, looking back I did see them running. If it was you, here's hoping you had a cracking run out.
Looking at the race on you tube , looks really hard. them steep stone steps look tough, and some hard downhill stuff
It's tough, but you'll be reet, run at your own pace and enjoy it chamber34:wink:
I'm still a bit nervous about this race, even though there's plenty doing it that aren't as quick as me and probably plenty that aren't as prepapred as me either (as well as plenty that are faster and better prepared too!). I'm worried I'm going to set off too fast and blow up, which is sort of becoming my party trick :thunbdown:, or that I'll spped up too much in between peaks and suffer on the climbs.
I've been doing 1/2 mile hill reps (circa 300ft climb) in preparation though to try and combat it, I'm building up to 10 reps (although I'm comfortably doing 6 at 9min/mile pace so could probably do 10 now anyway). That and plenty of 20m+ runs as well. Hopefully should be able to get round in a good time on the day. I'm hoping to get round under 4:30 and as close to 4hrs as I can manage. How realistic that is remains to be seen
Unless you are super fit you will be walking the ups on the 2nd and 3rd peaks anyway, so it is only the 1st where you need to decide what to do - and even there it is fairly clear cut as it steepens quite suddenly shortly after the route goes onto the open fell side, and it makes sense to walk that bit. Do not go too fast between 1 and 2 - if you are full of energy coming off 2 - highly unlikely - then you can pass loads from then on.
You should do fine. I did 4h20 in my first PPP last year and i've never done more than 15m in training! (although I'm hoping to get out for 3h today; just as soon as my wife wakes up and i can hand the kids over!). I reckon you'll be pretty close to 4h. Just be steady away and walk anything remotely steep. It's just not worth trying to run when people are walking just as fast!!I've been doing 1/2 mile hill reps (circa 300ft climb) in preparation though to try and combat it, I'm building up to 10 reps (although I'm comfortably doing 6 at 9min/mile pace so could probably do 10 now anyway). That and plenty of 20m+ runs as well. Hopefully should be able to get round in a good time on the day. I'm hoping to get round under 4:30 and as close to 4hrs as I can manage. How realistic that is remains to be seen
I think the trick with the 3 peaks is to be able to run all the way up pen y ghent, without pushing too hard but not walking either, and being willing and able to try and run the couple of plateau-ey bits* going up Whernside and all of the slabbed path up Ingleborough to the steep final ascent. If you can somehow pace yourself to do all that, you'll have a good day.
* Okay to call them plateau-ey is a slight overstatement
That slabbed bit looks tough but fun.ill try that i can do ok up hills but got into bad habit off walking when others do!! trying to stop thatI think the trick with the 3 peaks is to be able to run all the way up pen y ghent, without pushing too hard but not walking either, and being willing and able to try and run the couple of plateau-ey bits* going up Whernside and all of the slabbed path up Ingleborough to the steep final ascent. If you can somehow pace yourself to do all that, you'll have a good day.
* Okay to call them plateau-ey is a slight overstatement
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