Fellsman

[Stolly]

You pass the gill along the wall line near the top(Hand rail) until the wall junction then aim for the tarn (attack point) from there you can pick up the fence line to the CP

From Memory any way

Ian I think the tarn is irrelevant this year as they've moved the Middle Tongue checkpoint to the southern tip of that curve in the ridge

[superflyguy]

...... I'm pretty much convinced that the best bet is to follow the road round and simply miss out the whole fleet moss bog problem. ....

Any thoughts?

don't do it!
the crossing of Fleet Moss really isn't that bad, especially if you take the southern route which the new CP location pretty much dictates. it has a fearsome reputation, but if you are used to running in the Peak District (or similar) terrain you'll wonder what all the fuss was about. Personally I can't think of anything worse than pounding down 1500ft and a couple of miles of road only to have to reascend, think of your quads! I seem to remember the concensus at breakfast last year was that the southern ridge route was marginally quicker and much kinder on the body (plus it is in keeping with the 'intended' route)
as Stolly says Deepdale is not really an issue, maybe a 100ft descent/ascent.

either way enjoy!

[IanDarkpeak]

Ian I think the tarn is irrelevant this year as they've moved the Middle Tongue checkpoint to the southern tip of that curve in the ridge

Well I did say from memory! so It's not by the trig, where is it now I may enter on the day and will be using old route cards

[AndyA]

I'm convinced! (well maybe!)

[irish]

Andy,

I was just on google earth looking at the HH route and thought I would have a look at fleet moss, you can actually see the faint trods running along the south side of the moss and how they skirt round the top of deepdale, gives an interesting perspective other than the map.

[Dog Breath]

I'm convinced! (well maybe!)

Just to throw a spanner in your works Last year was my 17th Fellsman. I have always previously taken the southern route across Fleet Moss even before they decided to move the Middle Tongue CP for the first time last year.

But last year I decided to go down the road a re-ascend from Deepdale, and I can say that this was MUCH faster, as long as your are prepared to jog the tarmac section - I'm talking about 10 minute/miles. The re-ascent is only a little over 1000 ft and not 1500 ft as previously mentioned so is not that far, and it's over pretty good ground.

You've already done 38 miles when you reach Fleet Moss CP, and it depends how strong you are feeling as to whether you can continue to run across the rough moorland. I think the proof was that I did my fastest ever Fellsman last year.

DB

[irish]

DB - where exactly did you cut up from the road?

[Stolly]

And another thing.... running the road defeats the spirit of the event and misses out the very 'best' stretch.

Or maybe we should rename it the roadsman

[Masham Man]

Agree, can't see the point with running down the road. After doing 38miles the last thing I would want to do is run on tarmac when I don't have to, its bag enough doing the last few miles from Yarnbury when yer feet are on fire. Anyway being high up doing the southern route you get a fantastic view looking down Wharfedale.

[Dog Breath]

Each to their own. If people are so repulsed by a bit of tarmac then you need to plan your route to avoid the mile of road at Dent and the last 2 miles from Yarnbury! I have done the route so many times from Fleet Moss to Middle Tongue and know precisely what it's like and that the road is quicker, if you don't mind the climb. I know what route I'll be taking and won't feel in any way that I am somehow not doing The Fellsman.