yeah as el says, from the footbridge there is an obvious path to the summit.. its confused by the footpath marked on the map which isn't there.. that carries on up the valley floor then climbs up towards the bwlch after elidir..but in reality there is nothing on the ground so totally ignore that..
Tryfan: Its obvious.. descend some slabs N, obvious bwlch, then down a steep scree and rock filled gully.. at the base you'll find a long section of rocky steps in the grass.. this path runs steeply down to boggy ground and head along this to hit the river shortly before the A5..







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