So is there a better way to the first top than Wainwright talks about in his book - which is go past hovel knott on the ulpha track before turning right? It is extra distance.
I reccied it on the way to a climbing club meet last w/e - and tried a direct route up (dire, seriously deep bracken, and wet) - and then tried coming down east of hovel knott , similar! - Did I miss anything? Theres a stream which climbs to a point 400m north of great stickle from which a back track could be made, but it does not seem shorter than wainwrights route.
Coming to which , do you just reckon the top of caw from the closest point on the footpath where it enters a stream reentrant? Or is it more subtle than that?
BTW - respect to the lakeland hundred ers. I saw a lot of them trotting past in wasdale ....and the weather was not the nicest that w/e