Hmm, might be worth asking the organisers about that one!Originally Posted by beaker
You could look at some shell type mitts to go over your thermals; might be more acceptable to Fellsman kit checkers.
I'm doing PPP this year so will miss out on all the fun. 2012 was a blast for my first fellsman and I'll be back again. Trying not to leave it too long; the way things are going we'll need an army bergen for all the mandatory kit before long!
Was out yesterday (23,2,2013) to have a look at the Cray to Park Rash bit. I know what you are thinking "that's the easy bit". But I always have a wobble from the gate off Buckden to the Top Mere check point. Anyway, grim would be the word White out on top at about 11.00am.
Still happier now with the line.
I have done six fellsmens and I am around 20 - 22 hr mark and would echo Stollys point . Dent to Cray most benefit from recce.
"Time spent in reconnaissance is seldom wasted" Wellington after battle of Waterloo.
I was out yesterday in the same area, did Fleet Moss through to Top Mere. You're right, it was a bit grim. Very cold. I saw some fresh mudclaw footprints going up to Hell Gap, so there was somebody else out there equally as mad!
anyone with experience of both got a ratio in mind for UTLD50 time to likely Fellsman time?
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[QUOTES=Stolly;528547]If you have limited time, your recce-ing should be targetted at the 'middle bit'(TM) of the Fellsman route. The first 17 or 18 miles to Great Coum mainly follows well worn trails (apart from the drop off of Whernside into Kingsdale) and even in poor visibility you should have other competitors to follow. The descent off of Great Coum is 'interesting' but if in doubt here you could do worse than head to the wall line (to the north/north east) and follow that down. Dent all the way to Cray is definitely worth recceing (probably Dent to Fleet Moss as one recce and Fleet Moss to Cray as another?) if you can whereas, unless you're a speed merchant ultra-er, after Cray you could take the view that it will be dark by then and you'll be teamed up on the actual night and thus able to leave the navigation to someone else[/QUOTE]
Thanks for the advice much appreciated
I dont think its easy to compare for various reasons. I did the Fellsman in 2011 in 22.5 hours due to being grouped with a moron. 2012 not a fair comparison for ob reasons! but i also did UTLD50 in 2012 in 12.49. The main differences i feel are-you arent grouped on L50, the going is far better underfoot (bridleways and not a bog or moss to be seen!).
What determines you group? Do you get put with the people around you so the higher up the field you are the stronger the runners youwill be put with
Who's at the CP with you when its grouping time is what determines who you're with. 90% of the time it will mean that you're grouped up with others of similar fitness but there will also be runners who are completely shot
Last year I met a couple runners just before I got to Fleet Moss and we were going well and chatting so we decided not to hang around at the check point (it was just before we were due to be grouped) and pushed on together with the idea that we'd already have most of a group. Another guy joined us and we stuck with each other and presented ourselves as a group at the next check point and the organisers were fine with it. I'm very happy we did because Andy was an excellent navigator and he got us through the last few legs much quicker than if I'd tried to navigate it and that meant we were allowed to complete after the event got cancelled. With the exception of Andy, we all had wobbly moments at various points along the final stretch but we managed to rally each other to keep going.
Ta. Don't know how l'll cope if it's a moronophobic environment ;-)
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