That'd be a great time Caz! 14.29mwould be lovely too Daz! As I said in my post I might be looking to assist Karen in beating her 20 hrs something og last year, though neither of us are as fit as then. I'm sure you'll do 14.29 Daz as your fitter than I was two years ago and I think I did around that then, but as you say...chill, don't think too much at see what you've got left near the end after Cumberland Cottage. Its the night time route finding (plus affects of fatigue affecting said route finding!!)that kills your time more than fitness/speed I find....:sneaky: