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    For several years now I've marshaled Bessyboot the first Checkpoint on the Borrowdale race along with the Bowland Mrt. As the race starts they radio in to see how many set off so we know how many to expect. ( this is providing the organisers get it right on the start line in informing the Mrt of the correct number of starters ! ) we collect ( with difficulty ) the number of every runner passing through Bessyboot. I remember the tally system being used which made it easier for the checkpoint marshals to track progress but I believe it was difficult for the organisers to set up. The use of radios in races like the Borrowdale is essential and as most people know the Fra have radios which organisers can use. Clubs though could purchase their own as a good set is relatively inexpensive. We use mobile phones to advise our marshals of numbers etc but radios are perhaps a better option. I think that the system of physically counting each runner through a funell or grid at the start so that the RO knows exactly how many have set should now become the norm. The dibber system can be expensive and is not infallible, it relies on the box or the dibber to be received back at control to be interrogated before information is gathered not too good if the dibber box is in a remote location ( unless the even more expensive option of sending information back to control by SMS is used and with that reception is not always assured ) Last year at our Boxing Day race we had a runner outstanding only to find after exhaustive investigation that she did not run and was at home, a relative had filled in the form and registered her to run. Counting heads at the start would have prevented a lot of worry. It may add to a bit more hassle at the start of a race but I hope that runners will understand the need and cooperate

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    Hi WP. Thanks for the PM. Clear your inbox mate.

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    Yes, you need to be clear that the dibber system will only help monitor a race retrospectively (I.e. on download either of the dibber or of the control boxes) UNLESS some of the control stations are linked to race HQ by mobile phone or radio link.

    As the organiser of a nav event I'm interested to know how anyone can run a score or Spanish score type event and monitor it in the way I think the rules envisage as runners can take controls in any order. Are we going to end up having one or two mandatory sections on these events to track runners progress across the fells??

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lefty View Post
    Last year at our Boxing Day race we had a runner outstanding only to find after exhaustive investigation that she did not run and was at home, a relative had filled in the form and registered her to run. Counting heads at the start would have prevented a lot of worry. It may add to a bit more hassle at the start of a race but I hope that runners will understand the need and cooperate
    A head count won't identify the runner though, unless you check off all entrants as they enter the start pen. Which thinking about it isn't a bad idea...

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    A few more thoughts:-
    On Jura the RO places all runners in a pen before the start and collects their first tag as they enter it so he has a record of who has actually started - provided nobody ignores his instructions. A similar thing happens at Ben Nevis.
    Sportident is great but I dont think we can rely on it always to provide timely info unless there is a good link back to base (from the box itself, or if the marshals can download it on the hill and contact base one way or another). But I envisage the marshals at Green Gable in Ennerdale for example having a long wait for the last runners to arrive and easily taking 2-3 hours after that to get back to race HQ. So if a leading runner went missing it could easily be four hours or more before the info from that CP got back to the start. But I would happily pay for sportident if the RO wants it - on a personal level I'm happy to run without it but accept the need to protect the RO.
    Using radios is fine, when and if they work. They dont always. I've spent many years trying to use different radio systems in the Lakes, none have worked all the time. I've used the FRA radios on quite a few occasions as well - they work up to a point, the new ones are better (but couldn't talk to the old ones last time I used them) but still not infallible. Lets use them by all means but we still need to have something to back them up.

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    page 100, I should have held out for post #1000!

    How about a slightly different idea.. a list people can sign on to at registration if there is no-one who will quickly realize they are missing.

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