Tonight's football thread

[Derby Tup]

Get in!! I had faith in you, Danbert.

One doesn't get a top 3 place in FOTY by posting sense on this here forum

[IainR]

Have you heard of Bob Paisley mate? He didn't have Ferguson's longevity but 6 League Championships, 3 European Cups, 1 UEFA Cup and 3 League Cups in 9 years isn't bad (and that was in the days when winning the League Cup meant something).

As for Fergie's European trophy win with Aberdeen, the Cup Winners Cup was by far the easiest European trophy to win, most seasons you only had to beat a couple of decent teams to win it

No.. who was he?

Anyway not his longevity.. he didn't rebuild and rebuild..

You are joking.. taking Aberdeen.. they beat Real Madrid in the final.. Bayern in the 1/4's... to down play that achievement just shows bewildering ignorance of football.. easily the greatest achievement in the last 30 years in British football.

You always go on about the small teams doing well, yet then say that trash??

When did a team outside the old firm last win a Scottish title, never mind a European title?

Honestly... You've actually knocked Danbert off his Perch on that one. Well done!

Come on Danbert raise your game?

[IainR]

I see the Oirish gobshoite Keane has come out and said the Cloughie was a better manager than the Govan Piss Can. Now while there may be some bitterness in his reasoning, I too have always thought that this was the case.

OBE (Old Big 'Ead in Clough's own words) won the league title with two small provincial clubs and won the European Cup with one of them, Forest, a team full of rejects.

Let's be honest Iain - Bacon's succession is going the way of King Lear. It's only a matter of time until he's found wondering about naked in a storm, probably in Newton Heath, accompanied by Phil Neville in a jester's outfit.

Tell you what Danbert.. Had Fergie had Man U finish second for failing to add up 3 + 1 = 4 not 5.. you'd have been ranting about him being a senile old fool.. crazy decision by someone on 100,000 a week..

[Richard Head]

No.. who was he?

Anyway not his longevity.. he didn't rebuild and rebuild..

You are joking.. taking Aberdeen.. they beat Real Madrid in the final.. Bayern in the 1/4's... to down play that achievement just shows bewildering ignorance of football.. easily the greatest achievement in the last 30 years in British football.

You always go on about the small teams doing well, yet then say that trash??

When did a team outside the old firm last win a Scottish title, never mind a European title?

Honestly... You've actually knocked Danbert off his Perch on that one. Well done!

Come on Danbert raise your game?

I was only replying to your arrogant post that no other manager had touched him. Bob won 3 European Cups in 9 years, Fergie won 2 in 27 years, as they say you do the maths.

As for 'easily the greatest achievement in the last 30 years in British football' I guess you have been hitting the gluwhein a bit early today mate, what about Arsenal going a full Premiership season unbeaten

[IainR]

I was only replying to your arrogant post that no other manager had touched him. Bob won 3 European Cups in 9 years, Fergie won 2 in 27 years, as they say you do the maths.

As for 'easily the greatest achievement in the last 30 years in British football' I guess you have been hitting the gluwhein a bit early today mate, what about Arsenal going a full Premiership season unbeaten

No chance.. United's treble eclipses the invincibles.. they were impressive and dominant, but a world class powerful team who came up short in Europe. Fergies Aberdeen were minnows.. even in Scotland.

3 European cups.. impressive.. but as you say its about who you play.. in those days you only had to play the champions of Spain, Italy, Germany.. the rest were minnows.. OK many of the other nations in the east were stronger, Red Star etc, but most weren't.. despite the moaning the CL is a much higher standard overall than the EC..

Still it was bloody impressive, but it was basically one team.. one club, Fergie remained at the top from almost day 1 and evolved with the game as it changed more than ever before.

[Derby Tup]

Do the people in Manchester who support Man Utd love Fergie? I mean really worship him. Clough is a God in the East Midlands (and relevant parts of the North East). I've never sensed that level of genuine warmth and affection for the Scot. He's ever so slightly dour is he not? Interesting tale in a new-ish Clough biog I read t'other day. Brian could park where he liked in Derby up to his death basically. No police or traffic wardens would even look at his motor where ever it was parked

[Richard Head]

3 European cups.. impressive.. but as you say its about who you play.. in those days you only had to play the champions of Spain, Italy, Germany.

Or to look at it another way the European Cup was harder to get into in those days, using the old system United wouldn't have won the Champions League in 1999 because they were not English champions the previous season.

[IainR]

Do the people in Manchester who support Man Utd love Fergie? I mean really worship him. Clough is a God in the East Midlands (and relevant parts of the North East). I've never sensed that level of genuine warmth and affection for the Scot. He's ever so slightly dour is he not? Interesting tale in a new-ish Clough biog I read t'other day. Brian could park where he liked in Derby up to his death basically. No police or traffic wardens would even look at his motor where ever it was parked

Love him.. He's also opened my old mans apprenticeship scheme.. in sheffield so most were SU or SW and everyone loved how warm he was, especially with the youth, staff kids too.. My mum properly fell in love..

Most who no him do speak well of him and how much he will help.

[Danbert Nocurry]

Tell you what Danbert.. Had Fergie had Man U finish second for failing to add up 3 + 1 = 4 not 5.. you'd have been ranting about him being a senile old fool.. crazy decision by someone on 100,000 a week..

It wasn't a crazy decision Iain - it was typical City - 'Gypsy's Curse' - Ball in the Corner wasting time and getting relegated' - 'Luton Town' - 'Ricky Villa' - 'Winning the League one year then getting Relegated the next' - 'Scoring 100 Goals and Getting Relegated' - 'Bury, Stockport, Lincoln and Yes even York Away' - 'Dickov's last minute Equaliser' and of course '2-1 Down with 2 Minutes to play and Winning the League Title Aguerooooooooo' are all an intrinsical part of our make up and a part of the genealogy and DNA that make up Manchester City Football Club.

Last night was just another notch on the bedside post that's why we embrace the club, quirks and foibles, It's what makes us and what makes everyone who ever walked through the doors of Maine Road and now The Etihad fall in love with the Sky Blues.

Did we really get it wrong.......Nah we got it spot on as and as near perfect as only City ever could.

Listen, If we had actually won 2-4 and been top, Aguero would have broken his leg getting on to the airplane home or something that's what happens with us.

[IanDarkpeak]

Do the people in Manchester who support Man Utd love Fergie? I mean really worship him. Clough is a God in the East Midlands (and relevant parts of the North East). I've never sensed that level of genuine warmth and affection for the Scot. He's ever so slightly dour is he not? Interesting tale in a new-ish Clough biog I read t'other day. Brian could park where he liked in Derby up to his death basically. No police or traffic wardens would even look at his motor where ever it was parked

But in Leeds we'd hunt him down