Resignation fromCommittee

[MargC]

A pity we don't have a system as in New Zealand, as far as I can gather their ACC(accident compensation corporation) covers everyone for everything, there is no need for any liability insurance. http://www.acc.co.nz/making-a-claim/...ered/index.htm

For instance, there is no need for car insurance, this is financed by a levy on fuel and car tax.

So, organising a fell race doesn't need insurance or any worry about claims, automatically covered. This is how I understand it, interesting concept, but put a vast numbers of lawyers out of work!!

But this wouldn't obviate the need to manage safety responsibly.

[molehill]

As I understand it the responsibility for safety is with the individual, as no claims are made against organisers of events the ultimate safety is with that participant. I don't know the full details of the scheme and find it difficult to get my head around (like, I don't need liability
car insurance?). But anything that prevented all this c**p going on in fell running, wouldn't be a bad thing.

[Richard123]

So how come no such answer has been made? A single reply that truthfully and completely answered even just the main points that have been made, would have put an end to all this weeks ago. I am a complete outsider, know nobody involved, and just run in a handful of events each year. I have served on several committees and know what a thankless task it can be; my default position is to trust those who are running things. Yet I see what on the surface seems like a reasoned argument from one group of people, and I see no response other than occasional insults from the other.

If you don't want members to believe what they read on here, you really need to tell us the reasons why its is wrong.

And I know you're all busy. But what is more important than the subject of safety?

Very well said, sums up my view/position nicely.

[Wheeze]

Not from where we sit and when we walk away, as we all will, some of us wonder who will step forward to take our places if members really believe what they can read on here .

Are you implying that we cannot believe what Andy W put in his resignation letter, Graham?

[MargC]

As I understand it the responsibility for safety is with the individual, as no claims are made against organisers of events the ultimate safety is with that participant. I don't know the full details of the scheme and find it difficult to get my head around (like, I don't need liability
car insurance?). But anything that prevented all this c**p going on in fell running, wouldn't be a bad thing.

Whatever the details are Sport NZ has a publication "Risk Management of Events" http://www.sportnz.org.nz/Documents/...ent-ff-WEB.pdf

[tidemark]

In the interests of the many fellrunners and race organisers like me who haven't previously criticised the FRA, but are wondering what is going on, I suggest some sort of statement might be helpful.

Something along the lines of "We have considered the view expressed by numerous race organisers and members that the current guidelines mean that race organisers may be placed in a difficult legal situation should anything go wrong. However, here are the reasons behind our continued commitment to the guidelines in their current format..."

I don't think you've collectively gone off your rockers. And I know you're all reasonable, sane, experienced, committed people. But I would love to know why you appear not to be addressing these reasonable concerns. Maybe they're not reasonable - please give us an insight.

It looks as if your reasonable request will go unanswered Noel.

[Dave_Mole]

It looks as if your reasonable request will go unanswered Noel.

which is par for the course.

Individuals on the committee seem to think (and have expressed opinions as such) that whatever is said on social media is "irrelevant". Be interesting to see what they say when, God forbid, there's another accident which warrants an inquiry and the prosecuting solicitor discovers pages and pages of concerns voiced by reasonable members of the fell running community, with no obvious response from the FRA.....

[noel]

It looks as if your reasonable request will go unanswered Noel.

I have been in touch with committee members, so it hasn't gone unanswered. I can understand the committee's reasons for not engaging in a forum debate given that it would become a full-time job.

[Don't fear the sweeper]

So can you share their answers with us Noel?

[noel]

So can you share their answers with us Noel?

I'm yet to have a full conversation, so no.

And it may be that these conversations are best done in confidence, so I'm not promising anything.

As I've said on here, I think a simple statement saying why they're doing what they're doing would be helpful. Hopefully this will allay people's concerns. I appreciate that there may be some on the committee who simply favour sorting things out and not getting involved in lengthy forum discussions.