Tonight's football thread

[Muddy Retriever]

Well you just can't make it up!!!
Whilst in waterstones passing time I came across a book that I couldn't beleive the cheek of....
" no glossing over" how football cheated Leeds united. Could this be the same club who won their few tropheys by bribing, cheating and lying they're way through their entire history? Still town are a bigger club.

There were certainly some instances when that Leeds team were victims of decisions that went beyond just not getting the nub of the green. The most notorious was the 1973 Cup Winners Cup Final in Salonika against AC Milan. The referee spent the whole match giving dodgy decisions in favour of Milan. At the end of the match the referee and Italians were jeered off the pitch by the Greek crowd, who knew Leeds had been cheated. The referee was later convicted of taking bribes and UEFA banned him for life. The result bizarrely was not overturned!

Two years later in the 1975 European Cup final against Bayern Munich, a perfectly good Peter Lorimer firecracker was disallowed. Allan Clarke was blatantly brought down in the box by Franz Beckenbaur but no penalty was given. Bayern went on to win 2-0.

As for the bribery allegations against Leeds, the only time they went beyond scurrilous rumours and saw the light of day in court was in 1977, when Billy Bremner successfully sued for libel. In fact if anybody was trying to rig matches for Leeds, they were pretty crap at it as that team were perennial bridesmaids and should have won a lot more than they did. One match where there were accusations of bribery was Leeds' final game of the 1971/72 season where they only needed a draw at Wolves to take the title and double. The Football League made Leeds play two days after the FA Cup final and they duly lost 2-0, the title going to Cloughie's Derby County who were already holidaying in Majorca. Like I say, whoever was doing the match rigging must have been really crap at it!

What Leeds could have done with at the time was somebody like your old manager Fergie, a past master at bullying and intimidating referees to try and get results.

And though I hate myself for stooping to your childish level, I can't resist, how many European finals did "bigger club" Town play in?

[Richard Head]

I didn't have you down as that well aged Richard!!

Sadly not only am I old enough to have gone to the Leeds - Chelsea final, I also went to all 4 matches at Goodison Park in the 1966 World Cup

[Richard Head]

Not a right lot then? When I was a kid we always referred to Bolton-le-Sands as Bolton-le-Sludge.

I have a vague recollection as a kid of sand being trucked into Morecambe and dumped to create a beach. Can't remember ever seeing anything resembling a beach at Bolton le Sands

[Stagger]

Sadly not only am I old enough to have gone to the Leeds - Chelsea final, I also went to all 4 matches at Goodison Park in the 1966 World Cup

I'm not that old but I went to Goodison when it had the D shapes at the back of each goal.

[Carlos the Jackal]

And though I hate myself for stooping to your childish level, I can't resist, how many European finals did "bigger club" Town play in?

Leeds fans really made the whole country proud that night just like many other occasions.

The problem with Leeds fans are they really believe they are vitims and I've never met so many one eyed supporters of a club as Leeds.

When my home town club, Bradford went bust all Leeds fans to a man was shouting that city should be made to go bust, someting they claimed against other clubs too. However when this happened to them it was a different matter indeed. It has happened to Leeds more than once, in the 80's they had bucket collections in the town centre. Leeds deserved to go under.

In fact you re still not the largest club, Wednesday are. I was joking about town but they've sure won as much as Leeds without cheating and in more stlye too.

[Richard Head]

Leeds fans really made the whole country proud that night just like many other occasions.

I was at Elland Road in the early 70's for another occasion when Leeds fans took defeat 'gracefully'. They were in the running for the league title but when they went behind against West Brom, cue another pitch invasion, from memory it didn't work and it was yet another runners up medal for the scum

[that_fjell_guy]

I was at Elland Road in the early 70's for another occasion when Leeds fans took defeat 'gracefully'. They were in the running for the league title but when they went behind against West Brom, cue another pitch invasion, from memory it didn't work and it was yet another runners up medal for the scum

That I assume would have been Astle's 'off-side' winner!

[that_fjell_guy]

Leeds fans really made the whole country proud that night just like many other occasions.

The problem with Leeds fans are they really believe they are vitims and I've never met so many one eyed supporters of a club as Leeds.

When my home town club, Bradford went bust all Leeds fans to a man was shouting that city should be made to go bust, someting they claimed against other clubs too. However when this happened to them it was a different matter indeed. It has happened to Leeds more than once, in the 80's they had bucket collections in the town centre. Leeds deserved to go under.

In fact you re still not the largest club, Wednesday are. I was joking about town but they've sure won as much as Leeds without cheating and in more stlye too.

90% of fans are one-eyed Carlos! I'm not too convinced Sheff Wed are 'bigger' than Leeds just now, but they certainly have been and can claim similar and sometimes bigger gates. Hull on the other hand I would say definitely have the edge over us just now! Though their gates aren't that clever for the Premiership. I would certainly not make any claims about Leeds fans being angels in the past or present, but plenty of clubs did and do have the idiot element and during the 70's every clubs fans caused trouble, no doubt even Bradfords! Leeds and the like...Chelsea, West Ham, Man U were just more in the public eye.

[Carlos the Jackal]

I was at Elland Road in the early 70's for another occasion when Leeds fans took defeat 'gracefully'. They were in the running for the league title but when they went behind against West Brom, cue another pitch invasion, from memory it didn't work and it was yet another runners up medal for the scum

I went to watch them at odsal top against city just after the fire at valley parade. All match they sung about the fire and started to riot, they even burnt out a burger van. They seem happy sing songs about Munich, Hillsborough, Bradford fire but they seem hurt if you mention their failed riot in turkey where the Turks stood up for themselves. Following that they sang racist songs of how they would rather be a pa%I than a Turk. In the 80s they turned their backs on their striking mining comrades and supported yhe nottingham scab scum. Terrible fans, Leeds and no wonder everyone hates them.

[Carlos the Jackal]

Fjell guy, Bradford city's fan are no angels I can tell you. Man utd have had their problems too. I ve criticized my own team here too. I just feel Leeds have a real problem with their fans regarding hypocrisy and rank just above orange bast%#ds. I'm sure you lot have a lot to say about us.