Hi OB1 no worries great to meet you, I need to have a serious word with my self as so often I get close to the end of a race and start relaxing, not to take anything away from you and the other chap (John or puffing billy?) who looked strong passing. PM sent but in short plenty to do in the area, Radnors camp site very good as was the steam rally and kàyaking but not many children about which makes parenting a bit harder