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    I'm missing a trick here, i think i'm going to get some gear for the new Bofra season.

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    What about Staminade in the mid 80's or the SIS gels of today.
    We have no idea what they are made of and whilst they are probably a much lower class of an energy boost than the stuff taken by professional athletes, where do you draw the line?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Graham Breeze View Post
    Actually the drug has never been legal in the USA for any use and the Latvian manufacturers only recommend 4-6 weeks use and not 10 years and ...but then you are male and she is blonde and pretty and rich.
    Its totally unlike you Graham I know but you completely missed the point I was making . Sharapova screwed up like I said but most probably by not reading the fine print and acting on it quickly enough rather than openly flaunting the drug rules - the drug was okay and then it wasn't and stupidly she missed the change over day.

    The point I was making though is that a lot of athletes examine the rules and go as near to the edge of them that they can do legally. In the spirit of sport though is that morally right even though (so long as you don't screw it up) its technically legal? Hence my point about ibuprofen - loads of people use it to minimise muscle pain even though if nobody used it the competition would be fairer. Surely although clearly legal, using ibuprofen gives the users a performance edge?

    Mappers point about energy gels is exactly the same. I've used the SIS gels but others have said that I should go one step further and use the caffeine SIS gels because they're even better. I think fell races should restrict allowable running food to Booth's mini pork pies and leave it at that
    Last edited by Stolly; 10-03-2016 at 10:04 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stolly View Post
    Its totally unlike you Graham I know but you completely missed the point I was making . Sharapova screwed up like I said but most probably by not reading the fine print and acting on it quickly enough rather than openly flaunting the drug rules - the drug was okay and then it wasn't and stupidly she missed the change over day.

    The point I was making though is that a lot of athletes examine the rules and go as near to the edge of them that they can do legally. In the spirit of sport though is that morally right even though (so long as you don't screw it up) its technically legal? Hence my point about ibuprofen - loads of people use it to minimise muscle pain even though if nobody used it the competition would be fairer. Surely although clearly legal, using ibuprofen gives the users a performance edge?

    Mappers point about energy gels is exactly the same. I've used the SIS gels but others have said that I should go one step further and use the caffeine SIS gels because they're even better. I think fell races should restrict allowable running food to Booth's mini pork pies and leave it at that

    I care little for tennis and even less for Sharapova - since she stood me up - and my interest is in observing the legal shenanigans to follow: eg how did she come to be taking a drug that is not approved for use in the USA and which it is therefore illegal to import? Perhaps she is also a drug trafficker?

    On your general point (SIS, Ibuprofen et al) I agree but there is nothing "fair" in all athletics. If you are very tall you should outjump someone short. If you live in Denver Colorado your body is naturally better equipped for endurance than living by the Dead Sea. I had an EPO test done and the result shows I have been handicapped throughout my running career. Fair?

    I wish I had taken up tennis.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stolly View Post
    i think fell races should restrict allowable running food to booth's mini pork pies and leave it at that
    Like it!
    Last edited by PeteS; 10-03-2016 at 02:34 PM.

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    I certainly don't think she was taking it for 10 years purely for medical reasons. But, she wasn't going against the rules by taking it while it wasn't on the banned list. So I think she's been caught out for being careless. Bloody stupid error though.

    If you argue that she's got what she deserved because she's knowingly taken a performance enhancing item, albeit one not banned, for the previous 10 years, then you need to ask whether it's right to use caffeine as that's also on the watch list for potential future banning. And how many of us have used caffeine for hoped-for performance enhancing reasons, i'd guess a large-minority at least. Also the use of 'altitude tents' for athletes training at sea levels, not one I guess that is available for most of us, but plenty of british athletes have admitted to using them. Tramadol is the controversial one at the minute, not currently banned, but serious effects. I've heard plenty of talk on the Leeds Chaingang about one or more members being prescribed this whilst away with their various pro set-up's.

    Athletes will always look for the next thing, hasn't it always been that way? Sad state I know but unavoidable unless you go down the route of banning all supplements, and then they'll just find there way into every day food products. Of course the argument then becomes about whether a good diet doesn't already provide you with all your needs.

    And round we go....

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