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    Triamcinolone is a pretty heavy duty hammer to hit allergic rhinitis with. It is licensed for use in this condition and asthma but in normal life, its not something I would expect to see used except in extremis. Perhaps being just about to compete in TdF counts as extremis!
    I had a jab of the stuff once to treat acute tendinitis in a back muscle. It worked a treat. Cured the pain and made me feel like Rambo for 48 hours!
    Whether that was relief from pain or a side effect, who knows???

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    Quote Originally Posted by Graham Breeze View Post
    After today's Andrew Marr Show I doubt if Millar and Wiggins will exchange Xmas cards...but I'm sure Wiggins will be sending one to Mr Marr forever.

    On a historical note, in 1988 Pedro Delgado was a shoe-in for Le Tour when in late July a few days before Paris he was found to have taken Probenecid (which is a masking agent). Probenecid had been an illegal drug according to the IOC (Olympics) for a year but the UCI (Cycling) was a bit slow and were due to ban it a few weeks later in August, which they duly did.

    Delgado was pretty cool about it all: "it's use is not illegal" and indeed that week, as distinct from a couple of weeks later, it wasn't (outside the Olympics).

    Delgado won his Tour. His only win; but as Wiggins knows, one Tour win means never having to work again.

    In cycling "it's use is not illegal" actually translates as something else.

    Whether it is performance enhancing or not there is no getting away from the fact that Wiggins win of the tour was the dullest in history.

    Give me some proper performance enhancing battles such as ulrich against Armstrong any day!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by luxinterior View Post
    Whether it is performance enhancing or not there is no getting away from the fact that Wiggins win of the tour was the dullest in history.

    Give me some proper performance enhancing battles such as ulrich against Armstrong any day!!!

    Mmmh. I don't recall being totally gripped during all of the Indurain years but you have a point.

    Chemically enhanced or not (ha!) I viewed the difference between Armstrong and Ulrich as mental (although Ulrich should have learnt to ride with a rapid cadence and not persist in trying to push a big gear on climbs): once Ulrich had become the first German to win the Tour his place in history and in Germany was secure and he didn't need to try so hard again. (Just as I posted on here at the time that Wiggins would never win another Grand Tour because he was neither good enough nor mentally hungry enough). Armstrong wasn't the first American winner but more importantly he was clearly pathological with a chip on his shoulder against most of the world and that is what drove him to obsessively need victory at all costs.

    Armstrong might have been a nasty piece of work but waiting for him to eventually get his comeuppance did make the Tour interesting.


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    A new young cyclist is introduced to a team manager.
    "Do you have asthma?"
    "I am afraid so"
    - pumps fist: "YES!"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wheeze View Post
    Triamcinolone is a pretty heavy duty hammer to hit allergic rhinitis with. It is licensed for use in this condition and asthma but in normal life, its not something I would expect to see used except in extremis. Perhaps being just about to compete in TdF counts as extremis!
    I had a jab of the stuff once to treat acute tendinitis in a back muscle. It worked a treat. Cured the pain and made me feel like Rambo for 48 hours!
    Whether that was relief from pain or a side effect, who knows???
    High dose steroids are powerful drugs. 40 mg of triamcinolone is enough to make some people go mad - I saw this many times with hospital inpatients - some required sedation; most were just weird - agitated, aggressive, a touch paranoid - for a few days. I can see that some people might feel temporarily invincible. To need this 3 years in a row for "asthma/allergic rhinitis"? You might think this is a bit of a coincidence - or, if high dose steroids were really needed, that it reflects poor management of the underlying conditions - I could not possibly comment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike T View Post
    A new young cyclist is introduced to a team manager.
    "Do you have asthma?"
    "I am afraid so"
    - pumps fist: "YES!"
    Well that made me laugh!.

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    I'm asthmatic and the stuff proscribed for me must be baby strength - pah! I'm straight back to see my Doctor (Dr Ferrari) to get this sorted!!

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    I must perform about 10 triamcinolone injections per week but have not had anyone turn green and rampage around the room yet!
    never given it for asthma....but then thats not my field.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wheeze View Post
    I must perform about 10 triamcinolone injections per week but have not had anyone turn green and rampage around the room yet!
    never given it for asthma....but then thats not my field.
    I was usually treating those over 65 - more likely to get side effects than younger patients; even 15 mg of prednisolone was enough to make some go mad - equivalent to 10 to 20 mg of triamcinolone, depending on which conversion chart you believe. What conditions are you treating with it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by brett View Post
    I'm asthmatic and the stuff proscribed for me must be baby strength - pah! I'm straight back to see my Doctor (Dr Ferrari) to get this sorted!!
    Right on!

    Wiggins alleges he took his medicine just "to put me on a level playing field", aka the Lance Armstrong defence for using EPO.

    My haematocrit (X76tb) level a couple of years ago was 0.41. The normal natural range is 0.37 to 0.52 (although the UCI arbitrarily ban anyone whose level is over 0.50 "for health reasons").

    So, given that 0.41 is low and I am disadvantaged when fell running why can't I take EPO to "put me on a level playing field" in line with the Wiggins justification?
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