post brexit

[TheHeathens]

Haha the Daily Mail jibe was a cheap shot but it was funny, even funnier that it touched a nerve and you reacted so badly to it . We'll just leave it that you (MR and WP) and the Daily Mail co-incidentally are as one on all this then.

The point about the IFS, and the Bank of England come to that, is that they have a huge amount of resources, knowledge, systems, computations and sophisticated modelling tools. And they are independent. Yep I agree they can get predictions wrong but, in the scheme of things, they're more likely to be right than two fell runners on a fell running forum

What predictions have they got right then?

[TheHeathens]

Do people who read the Mail not consider it an insult? Similarly, when people are called liberal Guardian readers, do they proudly say "yes, that's me"?

I'd say you were more of a Telegraph reader WP. And that wasn't intended as an insult, so apologies if you think it is.

Cards on the table: I read the Times, as it's free at work. But if I had to buy a paper, I'd probably buy the Times.

I read the Daily Mail AND The Guardian. I'm so confused

But then I also read The Times, The Independent, The Financial Times and Ring magazine. It's not healthy to get all your information from one source.

[shaunaneto]

I read the Daily Mail AND The Guardian.

Mind...

Blown...

[sbrt]

I read the Daily Mail AND The Guardian. I'm so confused

But then I also read The Times, The Independent, The Financial Times and Ring magazine. It's not healthy to get all your information from one source.

Punch drunk, right wing, socialist, Murdockist, capitalist, fence sitter

[RaceTheSweeper]

A- it was actually a compliment, however if the chasm between us is that great I shall save such compliments for Bawbag Noel and SBRT and his evil dog. Occasionally Harry and Teasel.

B- I never suggested you did anything of the sort which is why I stuck to "camps" neither of which are homogeneous blocks.

I apologise if I jumped to the wrong conclusion on this. So many (obviously me included) have to listen to the political vitriol spurted constantly by those that feel they know what is best that even innocent remarks are taken wrongly.
I feel frightened by the power that the EU has become. Too many individuals are just a number. Our country fought to keep our freedoms but it seems as if that is no longer relevant. My grandfather fought in the war and lost his brother and many many many friends. Each village and town knew the names of those boys and still remember them now. In many towns, villages, even small hamlets we do not even know the names of our neighbours. When we moved into our home in March this year two of the farmers popped their heads over our garden wall and welcomed us to the village. We actively went out and got to know the people and say hello. That is so unusual today but why? When did we stop helping our fellow human beings when did we start to just want to help ourselves? My hubby and I are not at all materialistic, as long as we owe no one money we are happy. We both have good jobs but not jobs that take over our lives. We work to live not live to work. We don't have black, white, polish, Asian, disabled, gay, rich, poor friends .... we have friends, we do not feel the need to label them by race, creed, religion, sexual preference or effluence.
My husbands mother came over to England as a 5 year old child accompanied by her mother. They are from Poland. Her journey here was fraught with danger and the death of her aunt and many others. It was 2 years after the war had ended that her father joined them. He was one of the Polish Freedom Fighters that helped to shape the war. I do believe, maybe naively, that everyone I know would help a fellow human being in need whatever their race. Even my amazing wonderful mother-in-law is fearful of the power of the EU. The ordinary citizen of all EU countries seems to be consigned to a number. People no longer matter. Humanity no longer matters.
When we were given the referendum the EU never approached us, the UK people and said "ok, we know you are not happy. What can we do?" There was nothing! Total disregard & disrespect. How on earth is mutual respect supposed to build on that? How was the referendum supposed to go any other way than the way it went? Those disillusioned with the EU were given only two choices "Leave" or "put up and shut up". The EU being so sure of their power thought .. Britain would tow the line and STFU! They got a shock as the silent majority for once were allowed a voice and by god did they use it. Instead of trying to work with us and save the situation the EU powers that be decided "we will punish you". Dictatorship ... there we have it.
I am the last person to be sanding up and shouting "burn your bra" but you can believe I will stand up for every hard working person in this country no matter their race, country of origin, colour, religion, sexual orientation and every other nomination you are able to come up with. I will also fight against injustice, spite, bullying, and anyone who breaks our laws. Peace and Tolerance for all x

[sbrt]

Hey up Race the Sweeper!

My dad was a refugee/ evacuee during WW2. Kind Canadians, took him, his two sisters, brother and thousands of other children into their care. When I see Farage and the Hate Mail, vilifying refugees to promote Brexit, I find it deeply offensive.
The saddest effect of Brexit, is that it has bolstered the far/alt right.

Peace and unity

[RaceTheSweeper]

Hey up Race the Sweeper!

My dad was a refugee/ evacuee during WW2. Kind Canadians, took him, his two sisters, brother and thousands of other children into their care. When I see Farage and the Hate Mail, vilifying refugees to promote Brexit, I find it deeply offensive.
The saddest effect of Brexit, is that it has bolstered the far right.

Peace and unity

As with all political & personal views it can only be bolstered if allowed. As long as those opposed to leaving the EU keep shouting that all voting to leave are "insert your insult here" it will distract from the real work and the majority of really good people. There are some that really want leaving the EU to fail even it it means compete collapse of the Country. To some it's not about working together for a brighter future it's about being proved right and the usual silent minority being proved wrong. I don't give facts, figures, snippets from social medial, bias media reports as I think most have that covered. I watch, I research and I speak from the heart. Our country means so much to me and I don't want us to be vanished into meaningless numbers.
peace and tolerance and yes ... definitely unity to all!

[Muddy Retriever]

None of these expert bodies predicted the euro crisis or the financial crash.

But having said that, there were a small number of financial experts who did predict the euro crisis. This was Nigel Lawson in 1998. I think I've posted it on the forum before but worth doing so again because it is so eerily accurate.

http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2011/04...n-on-the-euro/

Sensible chap, who of course backed the Leave Campaign

Stolly, I don't know if you thought that your comment on the Daily Mail touched a nerve with me or Witton (or both) but it didn't for me. As I said, I thought it was amusing and telling. I mainly read online the Telegraph, Spectator and BBC. At the weekend I buy the Sunday Times. I also read the Guardian online for the same reason that shaunaneto said yesterday that he comes on here. I rarely agree with it's opinions but it is worth reading a different viewpoint.

[Stolly]

My grandfather fought in the war and lost his brother and many many many friends. Each village and town knew the names of those boys and still remember them now.

You do realise that a primary founding aim of the EU is to ensure further European wars don't happen don't you? And while all 27/28 countries are in it, the potential for another war are massively reduced. Consider though if each individual country leaves the EU like the UK wants to? With 28 free, non-aligned, separate countries all open to other external influences, don't you think the potential for conflict will rise somewhat?

Also France lost in excess of 1.1 million soldiers in WW1, 30% more than the UK. In WW2 France, in being liberated, suffered c 70,000 civilian deaths directly caused by the allies (not the Germans), 40,000 of those in the months leading up to D-Day. All European countries suffered massively in the last two World Wars, wars that Great Britain didn't win on their own by a long shout.

[Witton Park]

But having said that, there were a small number of financial experts who did predict the euro crisis. This was Nigel Lawson in 1998. I think I've posted it on the forum before but worth doing so again because it is so eerily accurate.

http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2011/04...n-on-the-euro/

Sensible chap, who of course backed the Leave Campaign

Stolly, I don't know if you thought that your comment on the Daily Mail touched a nerve with me or Witton (or both) but it didn't for me. As I said, I thought it was amusing and telling. I mainly read online the Telegraph, Spectator and BBC. At the weekend I buy the Sunday Times. I also read the Guardian online for the same reason that shaunaneto said yesterday that he comes on here. I rarely agree with it's opinions but it is worth reading a different viewpoint.

I'm just fed up of having Daily Mail reader, racist and bigot thrown at me.

I do read the Telegraph as I've said before, along with the Guardian and Independent.