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    Nick Clegg on Marr. This is a bloke who has constantly complained about lies, misleading statements by the Leave campaign.

    This morning when responding to Marr he said that if through new trade deals we doubled trade with USA, Canada, NZ then it would not be enough to replace the trade with the EU.

    That statement is shaped to make people think we risk losing all our trade with the EU.

    I accept we might lose some trade with the EU, 5%, 10%, maybe even 15% and it would be gradual if it were to happen.
    So FTAs would be looking at gradual increase in trade over time and it is realistic to be able to replace any lost trade with teh EU with trade elsewhere.

    Also, if May can deliver on or close to the plan she outlined, trade with the EU should be largely unaffected anyway.

    So his statement is misleading, he was using statistics that have no relevance to any likely scenario.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Witton Park View Post
    That statement is shaped to make people think we risk losing all our trade with the EU.
    He has form for it. Clegg is one of several remain politicians that have previously claimed we would lose 3 to 4 million jobs if we left the EU. Clegg made this claim prominently in his televised debate with Farage in 2014. It imples that trade with the EU would cease completely. Even in such a bizarre circumstance that number wouldn't be lost because of the effect of import substitution i.e. more internal demand for products form UK firms.

    I wonder if Clegg believes that Remain lies are good honest lies.

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    Still pleased we've voted out! The sooner the better!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Damian Kimmins View Post
    Still pleased we've voted out! The sooner the better!
    I reserve the right to fundamentally disagree with you, but only time will tell.

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    No, I'm definitely pleased! The thing is, I don't even care about the economic downturn it might produce.

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    Troll alert.

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    Some analysis of who voted for what;

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-38762034

    Snapshot for the TLDR

    The data confirms previous indications that local results were strongly associated with the educational attainment of voters - populations with lower qualifications were significantly more likely to vote Leave. (The data for this analysis comes from one in nine wards)

    The level of education had a higher correlation with the voting pattern than any other major demographic measure from the census

    The age of voters was also important, with older electorates more likely to choose Leave

    Ethnicity was crucial in some places, with ethnic minority areas generally more likely to back Remain. However this varied, and in parts of London some Asian populations were more likely to support Leave

    The combination of education, age and ethnicity accounts for the large majority of the variation in votes between different places

    Across the country and in many council districts we can point out stark contrasts between localities which most favoured Leave or Remain

    There was a broad pattern in several urban areas of deprived, predominantly white, housing estates towards the urban periphery voting Leave, while inner cities with high numbers of ethnic minorities and/or students voted Remain

    Around 270 locations can be identified where the local outcome was in the opposite direction to the broader official counting area, including parts of Scotland which backed Leave and a Cornwall constituency which voted Remain

    Postal voters appear narrowly more likely to have backed Remain than those who voted in a polling station
    Last edited by shaunaneto; 07-02-2017 at 07:07 AM.

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    Isn't anyone else getting tired of analysing the vote? It is just another way of getting a tad divisive in a referendum vote that was made as a whole country!
    Initially, having voted leave, I was a racist, now it turns out I'm a thicko too.
    Do these analyses produce anything of meaning?

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    Yes. I'd suggest it highlights that those more disenfranchised with the system have found a voice and a lever to effect change. It's also providing an indicator that (assuming they remain engaged) the political elites will have continue listening to them in the future. That's a significant shift in societal influence if it can be maintained. That's a big if admittedly.

    You'd know that if you'd at least got your Masters. Badumtish!!!

    More seriously, the analysis also doesn't preclude higher education and voting leave. It's claiming to have found a trend. And finally, educational attainment isn't always a good indicator of intelligence. Unfortunately it's seems that its often culture that leads to a good education, not ability.

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