I've just re read the comment I made exactly 9 months ago on this thread.

"But when was Southgate ever a good manager? His record is not inspiring. He was just the safe choice made by the FA. Somebody who doesn't say or do anything controversial. He has managed to inherit the team that lost so miserably to Iceland and make them look even less impressive. A remarkable feat".

Hmmm, have to admit I might have got this a little bit wrong. A great achievement by the England team to get this far no matter what happens now.

A good point Travs that it is not always the best team that wins the major tournaments. Teams that are well organised with a bit of talent like the 2004 Greek side can overcome the odds. The German team that got to the 2002 world cup final (although didn't win it) was very ordinary indeed. In fact they had been thrashed by England 5-1 the previous autumn. Saying that I still expect the winner to be Belgium or France. But if England do manage it I will be more than happy to eat humble pie again.