I was under the impression that there was a 500 page document detailing the process of leaving, which included the backstop that would be the minimum relationship following the negotiation of a long term trade agreement.Originally Posted by shaunaneto
You remainers are so condescending.
Isn't it strange that those who voted remain knew what they voted for but those of us who voted leave didn't have a clue.
Utter bollocks
I knew exactly what I was voting for the first time. LEAVE.
The problem is that those charged with implementing the wish of the "people" are remainers like you and will stop at nothing to avoid leaving the EU.
Visibility good except in Hill Fog
Voting for a "wish" does not make it a reality.
Yee harr
Llani for PM, WP deputy.
Only ones talking sense.
On the contrary we show great understanding. Understanding that people dislike realising they were gullible in believing in Santa Claus, resentment when this is pointed out to them and entrenchment in maintaining that they were right all along and everyone with a different opinion is utterly wrong.
Remainers knew what they were voting for and, based on history, also knew that the EU would adapt because of internal pressure from its members eg Italy. GB could have influenced that change from within.
Leavers could not know what they were voting for - other than a slogan - because even their flag bearers,Gove,Johnson,Davis,...had no idea themselves but were driven by political ambition.
As is now abundantly clear.
But we are where we are and "could have,should have,might have,if only,..." is as futile as arguing about whether or not Britain should have engaged in the Great War - a not irrelevant reference point- so perhaps we should look at it all again in a hundred years when things will be clearer?
When I cast my mind back to pre referendum and think what do I know now that I didn't know then, there isn't really anything of substance.
That a 80% approx Remain House of Commons and a 90% approx House of Lords, backed up by a Remain civil service, a host of Remain big interests such as CBI, NHS, Universities..... can create a "you never voted for that" scenario is perhaps the highest on the list.
So let's say we have a 2nd referendum.
One previous posts suggest a referendum to see if we want a referendum. That's how ludicrous it is.
Then we have "what question?"
Should remain be on there, after all we have already decided to leave, so surely it should be deal or no deal?
Then let's say we have one with remain an option, and we still vote leave? Can we really trust these idiots to manage that? What would change?
But if we vote Remain by 52%-48%, will we then have a version of Remain that takes in to account the views of the 48%? A sort of partial Remain, where we withdraw from some of the closer ties, loosen our relationship a little?
That was Cameron's pitch and he came back with nothing.
What if remaining means we lose our rebate and the payments go up, or a new treaty ends up on the table? Do we get a "we didn't know we were voting for that!"
It is absolutely barking mad.
Richard Taylor
"William Tell could take an apple off your head. Taylor could take out a processed pea."
Sid Waddell
I'm not one for discussing politics on a 'friendly' forum, it really doesn't interest me too much.
But it is quite clear that the EU despise us, are visibly crapping it that we are leaving, and effectively trying to punish us for the decision to do so (if indeed it goes ahead). They don't actually care about the future for the UK, and for that reason i believe we will in the long-term be better off out of it (if not better off in the short-term, which i should point out won't actually be proven either way until it happens).
(Sorry for the over-simplified summary)
Oh that's easy, they'll stitch us up on that as well. It will be Theresa May's Brexit in Name Only Deal or Remain. I've heard a number of Remain politicians say that. If it is I won't be voting.
Perhaps the Remainers on this forum can tell us whether we will keep the rebate or not since we now know everything.What if remaining means we lose our rebate and the payments go up, or a new treaty ends up on the table? Do we get a "we didn't know we were voting for that!"
I just don't understand where Llani Boy got this idea from that Remainers are condescending.
Was not me that brought up that word, but how was highlighting that now we have the withdrawal agreement that gives a clear indication to the reality of what Brexit will look like as opposed to the 2016 slogans be condescending?
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