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    Quote Originally Posted by Muddy Retriever View Post
    Whenever any country in Europe has voted against the EU, it has always been overturned, either by making the people vote again
    This chestnut keeps coming up. Maybe a bit of facts will help.

    In Ireland during both the Nice and Lisbon referendums, the No campaigners repeatedly argued that the treaties would change Irish laws on abortion, and undermine Ireland’s military neutrality amoung other "vague" critisms. Following the defeats the Irish goverment got the EU to harden up the treaty language in these areas to alay those fears, before going back to the people again. Somehow that is percieved as a "bad thing".

    http://blogs.lse.ac.uk/europpblog/20...n-eu-treaties/
    "In the second round, however, the arguments changed. The Yes side argued that Europe had listened to the Danish/Irish people and responded with legal guarantees, which were specifically on the themes raised by the No side. With the Edinburgh Agreement, Denmark would have four opt-outs in the fields of European citizenship, economic and monetary union, defence policy, and justice and home affairs. Ireland, on the other hand, gained guarantees concerning its military neutrality with the Seville Declaration after the Nice referendum, and on the Irish commissioner, competency over tax rates, abortion, neutrality, and workers’ rights after the Lisbon referendum."

    Now that people actually have an idea of what brexit will look like, as opposed to the fantasy that was peddled during the referendum, what is wrong with asking them again?

    But even as a remainer but I am not convienced by the people's vote, because even if brexit was reversed, no way would the UK become a happy member of the EU. It might be better to let it go ahead, and in a generation's time, when they realize what a horrible mistake it was the UK can revisit the decision again.
    Last edited by DrPatrickBarry; 11-12-2018 at 03:09 PM.

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