Well, you've got to admit all this to-ing and fro-ing with Brussels is eating up time and person power that would be better spent on the future.
Well, you've got to admit all this to-ing and fro-ing with Brussels is eating up time and person power that would be better spent on the future.
Well that is 100% the UK's choice, they could have had a clean break departure two years ago.Originally Posted by Wheeze
Wheeze I'm perplexed by your belief that trading on WTO rules will help us out relative to what we have now. WTO rules are there for countries who don't have trade deals in place. For an economy like ours to opt to cut our existing trade deals with the world's largest single market is a pretty drastic step. But don't listen to me. Listen to people who lead exporting companies. They've probably got a clearer view than you and me. Here's the number one priority from the CBI: A barrier-free relationship with our largest, closest and most important trading partner
This is from the CBI website if you want a look: http://www.cbi.org.uk/business-issue...-negotiations/
Come on Noel. Stopping being ridiculous. The CBI are 'experts' in understanding the business world due to their specialist experience and unique qualifications, so quite clearly that completely discredits them from having a valid opinion. As Mr Gove, the Leave top honcho, and he-who-is-to-be-esteemed-and-trusted-completely, proudly claimed during the referendum run-up. We've had enough of blooming' experts. I'd rather put my trust in the lady from Sunderland who said we should leave the EU as we've too many people from Pakistan [she used an abbreviated form] coming over here, working hard all hours and thereby taking our British jobs. That's telling it like it is! Besides with £350 million smackers a week coming our way, 'we're in the money, we're in the money'.
Just you wait, on March 30, other nations all over the world will be poised to sign up to new trade deals with little ol' blighty. Liam Fox told us it would be mega simples. They won't dare think we're desperate to trade and thereby start taking a nasty advantage - no way!
I for one am also looking forward to the morning after 29 March when we can well and truly severe our links with those continentals by reverting to imperial measurements (remember furlongs and bushels?)and proper old money (I've still got a few tanners and threepenny bits stuck down the back of the sofa (sorry I mean couch). It may mean that we have to dig up and rebuild a few 50 metre swimming pools to convert them to whole yards in length, and the like, but we'll be quids (and not Euros) in!
Am Yisrael Chai
And the FRA can revert to miles and feet climbed. bring it on!!
No Pat, the 'clean break' is not part of Article 50. If a nation state decides to leave the EU, it must come to a 'Withdrawal Agreement'. Now commonly known as 'the Deal'. And absolutely, of course, the EU is going to make that deal as one sided as possible. Knowing that, the only real options are to drop out hard or ignore the referendum result.
Of course, the 'third way' is to re-run the referendum and many 'experts' have chewed that one to death and it does not seem to be on the cards.
Oh, and Noel, for the record I'm no expert on WTO. But I've listened to a few who are. And its not about helping us out from where we are now. Just an inevitable consequence of leaving the EU. For better or worse.
My old man taught me one valuable lesson that seems to be borne out by experience. The Power of Positive Thought. No, not Noel Edmonds Cosmic Ordering nonsense, just common sense. Right now we need to be positive about what to do when we leave rather than wringing our hands over it as that will only make matters worse.
But I agree its hard to be upbeat when the referendum vote was so split. I don't have cold feet but I feel a second vote may be the only way to prevent future poison between our peoples. But there should be a sensible majority set to overturn the first vote or we are back to square one!
I agree, we need to make the best of whatever happens, but that's not a rationale for walking eyes open into a situation that puts us in a weaker position. Positive thinking has never been a good alternative to sensible decision making.
I see some politicians stating WTO trading would be a better situation. Perhaps their intended audience is not the average UK voter like you or me, but the EU negotiators - to try to strengthen our negotiation position.
I don't think they're fooling anyone.
It's interesting who is and isn't in favour of a second referendum. I take it as read that most of the people who voted to remain will want a second referendum, in the same way as someone losing a coin toss will ask for "best two out of three".
I'm surprised that Labour aren't backing a "people's vote" (meaningless term - as if to differentiate from those referendums in which animals take part!). That way they could say: we would have got a better deal; you've made a dog's dinner of it; let's see if the majority of people back what you've negotiated. That way (even in the absence of a second referendum), Labour can distance itself from any future failings and blame everything on the conservatives, which seems to play very well with voters.
Just to be contrary. I voted remain.
I think the following should be done
Decide
Implement
Test and evaluate
Repeat
Although I’ve never been happy about the various opt outs we’ve had and would happily see them gone.
For extra bonus points. And assuming we do actually leave and not half some half arsed never ending BINO. (Although there are advantages to BINO in that it gives us time to prepare for trade deals rather than rushing into them in a panic with a lack of skills. ) A vote to rejoin should require a minimum % of the electorate. I honestly think this should this should be the case for all matters of this nature. Pissing around with a couple of % here or there shouldn’t be enough. It’s not decisive.
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