Page 13 of 22 FirstFirst ... 31112131415 ... LastLast
Results 121 to 130 of 220

Thread: New political party?

  1. #121
    Master Witton Park's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2007
    Location
    Blackburn
    Posts
    8,897
    Quote Originally Posted by Stolly View Post
    What do you mean “the EU doesn’t work”? It’s got 27 nations working to shared values, it’s doing great things to minimise or avoid future conflict between those nations, it has full freedom of movement between nations, a relatively common currency and full open borders for trade on a common basis. It is investing in the poorer nations to ultimately all be able to share fully in its success. It applies strong regulation that everyone has to abide by and has very good (relative to most anywhere else) environmental values. As a large world trading block it is able to negotiate and agree trade agreements worldwide and in return seek higher regulatory and environmental standards from its trading partners. It really means something to me to be considered European and having my European status torn away by inward looking, little englanders is really galling. It’s been said before but Brexit has made me embarrassed and ashamed of how low we have stooped as a country.

    Apart from that what have the Romans ever done for us ��
    Firstly Stolly I was referring to trade specifically. It doesn't.

    The GDP Growth of the EU started to decline relative to the rest of the G20 since Maastricht and it has been worse in the Eurozone.

    Germany's Centre for European Policy says euro brought a net gain of €2tn (€21,000 per capita) to Germans over 20 years to 2017. But it cost France €3.6tn (€56,000/capita) and Italy €4.3tn (€74,000/capita).

    It works for some I suppose
    Richard Taylor
    "William Tell could take an apple off your head. Taylor could take out a processed pea."
    Sid Waddell

  2. #122
    Banned
    Join Date
    Jan 2007
    Location
    Leeds. Capital of Gods Own.
    Posts
    11,176
    I'm with you WP the EU has failed GB.
    Glad to be leaving, as voted for by a majority.

  3. #123
    Master
    Join Date
    Jan 2007
    Location
    Monmouth
    Posts
    7,487
    Yes, I concur but it was hardly a decisive majority was it?

  4. #124
    Master
    Join Date
    Apr 2007
    Location
    Settle
    Posts
    6,580
    Quote Originally Posted by Stagger View Post
    I'm with you WP the EU has failed GB.
    Explain exactly how the EU has “failed” GB Stagger. Give some reasons and examples maybe.

    Or don’t you have any?

  5. #125
    Master
    Join Date
    Aug 2008
    Location
    Tayside
    Posts
    4,734
    Comparing EU growth since Maastricht to a group that includes China and India isn’t the best. It’s not a like for like comparison. There’s even a few resource driven booms in that list along with some stagnant economies. The only way we’ll get anything like their growth rates is with a massive demographic shift or a new industrial revolution. Or massively cheapened labour that too is an option.

    Now, if you can find a comparable with limited resources, an aging population, similarly sized and mixed economies Restricted low skilled migration. Then maybe we can start to build a believable Brexit model for the UK to build on.

    Argentina’s not the model is it?

  6. #126
    Master Witton Park's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2007
    Location
    Blackburn
    Posts
    8,897
    How about the USA?

    Since Euro, Eurozone GDP Grown 26% compared to USA 46%.
    Richard Taylor
    "William Tell could take an apple off your head. Taylor could take out a processed pea."
    Sid Waddell

  7. #127
    Master
    Join Date
    Aug 2008
    Location
    Tayside
    Posts
    4,734
    You make a good case for the EU fully integrating into a US style federal set up.

    I didn’t expect that from you WP 😆

  8. #128
    Master
    Join Date
    Nov 2009
    Location
    Marple, Manchester
    Posts
    2,934
    Love these comparsion between the UK and EU. I wonder if France was not in the EU would their problems with militant trade unionism that block so many of the badly needed labour reforms that country needs suddendly go away?

    Would Italy suddendly create a class of sensible politicians and the people elect them, plus give them the time to also modernise the country's outdated economy, instead of historically relying on devaluation to keep the country competitive?

    Would 100,000s of of desperate migrants stop trying to cross the Mediterranean Sea, causing so much of the tensions within the EU at the moment.

    But nobody will answer; you have your answer all the problems in the EU are 100% caused by the EU and Euro.

    BTW Ireland was 5.6% growth in 18 and predicted 4% for 19. What is the UK again?
    Last edited by DrPatrickBarry; 27-02-2019 at 09:56 AM.

  9. #129
    Master
    Join Date
    Nov 2009
    Location
    Marple, Manchester
    Posts
    2,934
    Quote Originally Posted by Witton Park View Post
    Since Euro, Eurozone GDP Grown 26% compared to USA 46%.
    Did not know that, so I Googled it. I am not saying I disagree with it as you must have got those figures from somewhere reliable, but it is a much more complex measurement than those figures would suggest.

    In his final paragraph.

    The truth is that neither side ‘wins’ in this beauty contest. Europe merely does less badly than the USA in some crucial respects. Yes, while it is true that the core Eurozone countries could perform far better, Germany, France and Italy have quite different problems – in comparison both to the US and to each other – which require quite different solutions. Anybody who claims that the US provides a model which the EU should copy needs to consider the basic economic facts of the case.


    http://www.federalist-debate.org/ind...e-economy-wins

    It is from November 2006, I could not be bothered to search anymore, but the general gist of it is probably still relevant.
    Last edited by DrPatrickBarry; 27-02-2019 at 09:07 AM.

  10. #130
    Master
    Join Date
    Apr 2007
    Location
    Settle
    Posts
    6,580
    Quote Originally Posted by Witton Park View Post
    Firstly Stolly I was referring to trade specifically....
    Firstly on the trade front, we already know that leaving without a deal will completely hammer us, so clearly staying in the EU is profoundly better than that, and secondly the only one example of leaving the EU where we might be better off is the cloud cuckoo land star spangled unicorn ideal of ‘full trading benefits of eu, but with no contributions and closed borders’ which will never ever happen. So staying in is easily better for trade.

    Secondly, aside from trade, what about all of the other massive advantages of staying in the EU that I listed.... presumably which you ignored as you have no answers 😉

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •