Brexit

[Stolly]

Have you not been keeping up? Even the MPs campaigning for it seem like they aren't putting it forward tomorrow when they can set the agenda.
Seems the penny has dropped on that one and it's dead.

A second referendum is Theresa May’s only possible get out clause if she can’t get her deal through, won’t go against the manifesto for soft Brexit and won’t rescind article 50. So if parliament tries everything and still can’t find a way the only option left on the table is a second referendum. Keep up 😉

And yeah a general election is another option too but with both the tories and labour up shit creek in terms of how they’d possibly draw up their manifestos that’s perhaps best done at a later stage

[DrPatrickBarry]

Why, indeed, would we do that? And who is proposing a return of border guards??

It is becasue of the made-up issue with the EU border on the Island of Ireland, where magic cameras can read number plates from that they can identify if foodstuffs meet EU standards and correct tarifs have been paid. And if this is not the case then the magic cameras erect a force field to stop said vehicle from progressing across the border.

And all that is dependent on said magic camers not being vandalised by the local republicians.

[Travs]

I only follow politics to a very basic level, but to me i can't understand what a 2nd referendum will achieve?

If 'leave' win again, surely we'll just be in the same situation with an impasse in parliament.

If 'remain' won this time, then the consequences for politics in this country don't seem to bear thinking about.

[DrPatrickBarry]

the consequences for politics in this country don't seem to bear thinking about.

That horse has long since bolted.

[Stolly]

I only follow politics to a very basic level, but to me i can't understand what a 2nd referendum will achieve?

If 'leave' win again, surely we'll just be in the same situation with an impasse in parliament.

If 'remain' won this time, then the consequences for politics in this country don't seem to bear thinking about.

What you think the avid brexiteers will become terrorists? And even if a possibility that’s still no reason not to do it. Only this morning a report from that polling expert John Curtis feels that today there is an extremely high probability that to leave the EU is no longer the ‘will of the British people’. If we do leave the campaign will just change from remain to rejoin and will if anything get stronger

[Witton Park]

A second referendum is Theresa May’s only possible get out clause if she can’t get her deal through, won’t go against the manifesto for soft Brexit and won’t rescind article 50. So if parliament tries everything and still can’t find a way the only option left on the table is a second referendum. Keep up ��

And yeah a general election is another option too but with both the tories and labour up shit creek in terms of how they’d possibly draw up their manifestos that’s perhaps best done at a later stage

The Tories won't fight another GE under May. But I would be amazed if there isn't a draft manifesto ready to go.

Once May goes, I think things will change fast to a General Election. Sonner the better.

[Travs]

I don't think here will be civil unrest or anything like that... but a referendum billed as a 'once in a lifetime' chance to decide our future in the EU, seems incomprehensible that it could be overturned 3 years later. Then what happens.... best out of three...???

My personal view is that leave would win again. Then where are we? Still no majority in parliament. They have already displayed that any so-called 'will of the people' doesn't mean a jot, so we have wasted 9 months to be back at the same place.

I'd support a referendum along the lines of "no deal" or "leave with current deal".... but i'm afraid the remaining ship seems to have sailed, and to bring it back makes a mockery of the political system in the country (which is already at it's lowest ebb).

[Witton Park]

I only follow politics to a very basic level, but to me i can't understand what a 2nd referendum will achieve?

If 'leave' win again, surely we'll just be in the same situation with an impasse in parliament.

If 'remain' won this time, then the consequences for politics in this country don't seem to bear thinking about.

You are right Travs.

If Remain win 52 / 48 I wonder what concessions they will give to Leavers? Maybe a best of 3? In fact what would they have given had ref 1 been like that?

As Stolly said earlier "something that recognises the split in the country and feels like a sensible compromise that could broadly satisfy both points of view"

Somehow, had Cameron and his mates won 52/48 I cannot see they would have offered the 48% anything. It would have been stupid as the options with the EU were only ever In or Out. This halfway stuff is bogus fudge from people that want to pave the way for a return.

I actually think there are other issues here linked in to Devolution.

The English outside of London are largely ignored. They have been left out of the Assemblies that Wales, Scotland and NI have.

London has it's assembly, strong links to Parliament and International standing.

England has proportionately more people per MP as well, so pro rata less voice in the Commons.

England outside of London has a democratic deficit and was strongly pro-Brexit. There will be consequences for the politics of the UK.

[DrPatrickBarry]

Travs, it is way beyond that.
The mistake was over three years ago with that stupidly simplistic question "Should the United Kingdom remain a member of the European Union or leave the European Union?" The vast majority of "out" voters did not give a second's though to the the N.I issue. John Major & Tony Blair and the Irish Goverment kept higlighting it but nobody was listening.

[TheGrump]

A senior commentator/journalist for one of the heavier weight newspapers wrote the following last weekend. I paraphrase.
"498 MPs led by the front benches of both parties voted at the second reading to trigger Article 50. This became law, and prescribes that if the U.K. cannot get the deal it wants, then we leave with no deal. The subsequent vote against no deal is actually non-binding. Therefore the U.K. should leave on March 29th."

Many of those MPs, who voted for Article 50, then voted against no deal, which demonstrates a worrying lack of understanding of the law and parliamentary processes. There is also their total blindness to the serious constitutional consequences of their other subsequent actions. Hopefully the electorate will highlight the MPs self-serving hypocrisy at the next General Election, regardless of their political affiliation.