One things for sure, the conservatives are being ukipised from within. At this rate they’ll be a (much smaller) hard right party which could just wither on the vine over time. They need a sensible middle ground, even if that means remain sympathisers, to stand any chance of retaining their broad appeal of old.
I agree that they need to be a broad church to attract as much support as possible but that does require Conservative remainers to respect the result of the referendum and accept that sometimes you don't get what you want. I cannot understand what exactly Nick Boles was so riled about. Most of his Conservative colleagues rejected his Norway plus idea. But since this plan would totally betray the referendum result and goes completely against the 2017 Conservative manifesto that he was elected under why was he so surprised?Originally Posted by Stolly
I suppose it has something to do with the fact that the people did not give the Tories a parliamentary majority to implement it.
They were still the largest party and with the DUP did have a parliamentary majority. Not forgetting that Labour pledged to end free movement of people in its manifesto. They certainly didn't say that they wanted a "customs arrangement" with the EU. They only committed to that after the election.
I don't understand how retaining membership of both the single market and customs union can be compatible with honouring the referendum result. We aren't able to recover control of our laws and borders, we can't negotiate any trade deals and we can't remove tariffs on imported food. It is not a compromise but staying in the EU in all but name except now we would have no say in what happens while before we had a small amount.
What made me laugh was one of the indicative votes for a confirmatory vote on whatever proposal the Commons agreed on. So that might mean a referendum between the Norway plus option and Remaining. It is hard to believe that anybody can truly think that is anything but farcical and illegitimate.
She must pray to Sinn Fein every night for their abstainest policy, becasue without it their seven seats would have rended the DUP support worthless.
But regardless, 85% voted for parties committed to leaving the EU and none of them suggested the Norway plus option as a means of leaving. So why is Boles so upset with his colleagues for refusing to endorse something directly opposite to what they had promised to do at the 2017 election?
Oh that old chestnut is quoted so often.
Is that the same as 85% of the voters were commited to leaving the EU. Big jump from the 52% in the referendum.
You know as as well as anybody that the Labour surge was due to remainers thinking that voting Labour was the best chance of overthrowing brexit or a soft brexit. Something that corbyn has so successfully betrayed over the past two years. It is only in the last few weeks that Labour have finally start to reflect the opinions of the people that voted for them.
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Are they still the political wing of the IRA?
Visibility good except in Hill Fog
Well the Provisional IRA no longer exists, so probably not.
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